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10-04-2011 10:19 PM

Topic tags/keywords: resource oak

I have ran short on a project I am working on and need 8) 10” x 20” x 1” boards to finish the project and all of my local sources around Springfield MO are out of quarter sawn red oak. I’m sure it’s a long shot but thought I would see if any of you lumberjocks have a few boards you could part with?


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#1 posted 10-04-2011 11:07 PM

Do you have a Home Depot nearby? The HD’s around here carry a decent line of milled red oak. It isn’t quarter sawn, but if you might pick thru the rack, you might find some boards that would work.

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#2 posted 10-05-2011 01:34 AM

Probably quite a bit less than $7.00 – $7.50 /bdft. – lol

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#3 posted 10-05-2011 01:52 AM

This guy will have it.
http://www.johnsonsawmill.com/
He’s in Northeast Oklahoma. Lots closer than I am. He will ship

-- Gary, DeKalb Texas only 4 miles from the mill

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#4 posted 10-05-2011 05:44 AM

The cost would be actually $10 + bf by my math. There is actually .55 bf in a 5 1/2” wide board 12” long. Thats giving benefit of the doubt where most retailers consider 25/32 as 4/4 stock. Really expensive. In KC you would be looking at $5-6 per bf of qsro. My math could be wrong, but logic says a 1×6 one foot long board is half a board foot.

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#5 posted 10-05-2011 06:44 AM

I guess that your HD sells some pretty expensive lumber. Around here, it would be a bit less, the quality would be excellent, and there would be no waiting or shipping charges. – lol

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#6 posted 10-06-2011 12:05 AM

Thanks everyone. Gary the place in Oklahoma looks like a very good option, pricing seems very reasonable if the shipping isn’t to expensive. I prefer to go to a mill whenever I can. I even enjoy doing my own plane and straight lining. I try to avoid buying lumber at the box stores and even the specialty lumber stores unless its an emergency.

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#7 posted 10-06-2011 12:09 AM

Let us know how you do. I’ve always found them to be easy to work with. Only time I go there is when I have a really big project. They are cheaper than the mill here in town

-- Gary, DeKalb Texas only 4 miles from the mill

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#8 posted 10-06-2011 01:32 AM

garypr -

How long have you been buying dimensioned lumber? I’m 66 and for as long as I can remember, a “1×6” was actually 3/4” x 5.5”

You said that you involved AZ weights and measures in a dispute with ACE hardware. What did they decide?

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#9 posted 10-06-2011 04:09 AM

This guy will have it.
http://www.johnsonsawmill.com/
He’s in Northeast Oklahoma. Lots closer than I am. He will ship

Am I reading those prices correctly? 8/4 Hard Maple at $3.85/BF – http://www.johnsonsawmill.com/Kiln-Dry-Lumber.html

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#10 posted 10-06-2011 04:36 AM

pierce85….yep

-- Gary, DeKalb Texas only 4 miles from the mill

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#11 posted 10-06-2011 05:21 AM

Wow, those are great prices. Rough cut 8/4 hard maple is around $5.25/BF in my neck of the woods. Unfortunately for me, the shipping costs would likely eat the savings and then some.

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#12 posted 10-06-2011 04:51 PM

Since when is dimensioned lumber not “furniture grade”? The only difference between S2S and S4S is some additional milling, and I can’t recall ever seeing S4S being sold by the board foot – nor S2S being sold by the linear foot.

Calling a board that measures 3/4” x 5.5” a 1” x 6” has been an accepted practice for at least 50 years that I know of and probably goes back even further. As long as it’s being sold on a linear foot (or per piece) basis, there’s no misrepresentation. Forgive me, but I doubt if ACE Hardware will be changing their pricing practices. I’ve dealt with ACE for decades and they don’t claim to sell by the board foot.

I do agree with the problem of 4/4 S2S sometimes being slightly less than 1” thick. When I’m using S2S and need a full 1”, I buy 5/4. Annoying, but it’s how you gotta do it.

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#13 posted 10-06-2011 06:38 PM

I’m not picking a fight, but am trying to understand the basis for your indignation about wood pricing. If there is no attempt to misrepresent the pricing, what’s the problem?

Like you, I’ve never seen 2x hardwood sold at Home Depot. The HD’s I use only sell 1x, S4S (i.e. dimensioned) stock that is sold on a linear foot basis – not board feet.

I typically buy my lumber from a local supplier that sells S2S with one straight edge. Their pricing is in board feet. I mill this to whatever dimensions I need for the project at hand. I do this because it gives me control of the milling process and eliminates the occasional variation that happens in dimensional lumber. It has nothing to do with thinking that dimensioned lumber is somehow less than furniture quality. I’m still wondering why dimensioned lumber isn’t “furniture quality”. If it isn’t warped, twisted, bowed, or cupped – and has the right moisture level, what else is there?

A couple of blocks north of my supplier, there is another lumberyard that carries a huge selection of prime hardwoods that are all S4S. They sell their lumber by the linear foot (for a very pretty price BTW) and don’t even pretend that their pricing is on a board foot basis.

The poster who said that a 1’ piece of dimensioned 1×6 would be 1/2 of a board foot is incorrect – but it’s a common mistake. I think of a board foot as 144 cubic inches of wood (1” x 12” x 12”). The board feet in any piece of wood can be determined by calculating its volume in cubic inches and dividing by 144. It’s a bit awkward, but absolutely correct.

The reason I haven’t posted any projects is because I don’t feel the need to do so. As long as my work is sought after by my customers and family, I’m satisfied.

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#14 posted 10-06-2011 07:58 PM

Sawkerf, I respectfully disagree. A board 1”x6”x12” is exactly half a bf. 1×6x12 is 72 is it not?72diveded by 144 is exactly .5 or one half…a board 1×5 1/2×12” is .46 bf. We are talking about a .14¢ difference per bf @ $3.50. I think some confusion arises when lumber suppliers who sell stock by the quarter inch measurement. 4/4 stock is intended to be finished at 3/4 or less. It happens to come in at 25/32 at my local supplier, chincy in my opinion. But that is what they sell it at. 5/4 is about 1 1/8, 8/4 is about 1 3/4. When in buy it from my local sawyer, it is 15/16, noticeably thicker. Which I prefer, please let me know how much bf a 1×6x12” is to you, or in your area, or with an equation you use. I actually think we are on the same page, just symantics.

QS wood is more expensive due to waste and extra effort to mill. However it is not out of the question for a piece of qs stock to be in the bin at HD. Therefor, if one needed one piece there is a posibilty the could find it at HD. Expensive but convenient.

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#15 posted 10-06-2011 08:29 PM

Shane -
Your 1”x6”x12” board has a volume of 72 cubic inches (1×6x12=72). Since 72/144=0.5, your board is 1/2 of a board foot. Mine would be too – lol. As I said, my method is a bit awkward, but it’s mathmatically correct. I suffer from the curse of an education very heavy in mathmatics and often take a different path to get to the same answer.

As I said earlier, if I need full 1” thickness, I skip past the 4/4, buy 5/4. and mill it myself. One explanation I’ve heard about the thicknesses being slightly less than advertised, is that the sawmill cuts to the full thickness, but there is shrinkage as the wood dries. I can see that.

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