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Forum topic by Smitty_Cabinetshop posted 09-28-2011 09:14 PM 1570 views 0 times favorited 27 replies Add to Favorites Watch
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Smitty_Cabinetshop

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09-28-2011 09:14 PM

It seems that more and more entries in Pulse page are “Off Topic” in nature. Can there be a button added that functions like the filters for All, My Watchlist, etc. but toggles to include or exclude Off Topic content? I’d like the ability to see only woodworking / project content in the Pulse filter page. Thanks.

-- Don't anthropomorphize your handplanes. They hate it when you do that. -- OldTools Archive --


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Bertha

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#1 posted 09-28-2011 09:36 PM

^there have been several requests for this feature. It’d be a nice one.

-- My dad and I built a 65 chev pick up.I killed trannys in that thing for some reason-Hog

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#2 posted 09-29-2011 01:16 PM

I’m confused … on the Pulse, there is the option to show/hide the off-topic discussions.
Am I mis-reading your request?

-- ~ Debbie, Canada (https://www.facebook.com/DebbiePribeleENJOConsultant)

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#3 posted 09-29-2011 03:16 PM

Ms. Debbie: Yes, the choice to hide it is there in the pulse page, but this does not help if you like to look at the forum page.

A lot of people like to go to the forum page rather than the pulse page because at times they just want to see forum topics, as opposed to “all activity” that they would have to see on the pulse page. Many of these same people would prefer not to see off-topic forum posts, so putting that same option to hide off-topic posts on the forum page would make a lot of folks happy campers.

-- Charlie M. "Woodworking - patience = firewood"

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ellen35

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#4 posted 09-29-2011 03:29 PM

What happened to the “no religion and no politics” rule?
What happened to asking members to post projects and other helpful threads and not just politics?
I’m not for censorship but I’m tired of seeing more threads about politics… and, yes, I do not read the threads but it is still a woodworking site. It was my understanding that re-instituting the “non-shop” forum was more for keeping everyone up on personal stuff/family stuff.
Seems to be getting out of hand…

-- "Don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good." Voltaire

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Jeff in Huntersville

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#5 posted 09-29-2011 03:38 PM

Slowly but surely this is becoming a non-woodworking social network site. Anybody know of perhaps newer sites that haven’t devolved to this extent?

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MsDebbieP

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#6 posted 09-29-2011 03:53 PM

“use the pulse, Luke, use the pulse” :)
I guess if you go to the forums page and you want to avoid the non-shop talk, just click on the individual forums that are you interested in??

When we re-introduced the non-shop talk forum, in response to members feedback, we tried to make this as simple as possible:

1) separate the non-shop talk from the rest of the discussions, so you could choose to look at it or not. Up to you.
2) simple rules (which is the same for the site as a whole) “Play nice” “be civil”.
3) self-monitoring – be responsible for the appropriateness of your own postings and use the flag system to identify inappropriate/non-civil postings by others.

-- ~ Debbie, Canada (https://www.facebook.com/DebbiePribeleENJOConsultant)

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MsDebbieP

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#7 posted 09-29-2011 04:01 PM

as for this becoming a non-woodworking site, I beg to differ on that perception.

In the past 24 hours there was only one non-shop talk discussion started.
There were 34 projects posted, and 20 blogs. That’s pretty heavy on the woodworking side of the statistics.

As always, we appreciate your feedback. It keeps us focused on the vision and on continued improvements.

-- ~ Debbie, Canada (https://www.facebook.com/DebbiePribeleENJOConsultant)

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Smitty_Cabinetshop

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#8 posted 09-29-2011 04:04 PM

@MsDebbie – I guess I’m doing something wrong. I have the box checked, but instead of removing the topics from the pulse the lines for each read ‘off topic forum, click to read.’ The number of these entries is growing, I have to read around the clutter.

-- Don't anthropomorphize your handplanes. They hate it when you do that. -- OldTools Archive --

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MsDebbieP

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#9 posted 09-29-2011 05:39 PM

we’ll re-look at the whole “pulse” process. So the only advice I can give now is “be patient” and give us some time to look at all the options and members’ needs.

-- ~ Debbie, Canada (https://www.facebook.com/DebbiePribeleENJOConsultant)

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bhack

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#10 posted 09-29-2011 05:44 PM

I click on the “Off Topic”, if it is political I ignore it. In the “Projects”, if it is a “turning project” I ignore it. I am not interested in turning. If it is “Bandsaw Boxes” I ignore. Not interested in “Bandsaw Boxes”. I control what I view. I do not rely on the computer to choose for me. If it is a radio station or TV show, don’t you choose? Do the same here.

-- Bill - If I knew GRANDKIDS were so much fun I would have had them first.

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Sawkerf

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#11 posted 09-29-2011 05:57 PM

As a participant in some of those “off-topic” threads, I’m trying to understand the objections to them. So far, I haven’t seen anything objectionable. There have been no flame wars, name calling, or any of the other behaviors that can make those discussions annoying. From my point of view, the addition of “Non Woodworking” subjects has been a real improvement in this site.

I also don’t get the requests to hide some (or all) of the off-topic posts. Don’t the titles give a pretty good clue? Personally, I’m not a hand tool junkie, so when I see that there’s another entry in the “Handplane of your dreams” thread, I just look for a different discussion to look at.

-- Adversity doesn't build character...................it reveals it.

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Smitty_Cabinetshop

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#12 posted 09-29-2011 06:27 PM

I really don’t care if LJs continues to allow non-wooding content or not, but I’m only here because it’s a woodworking site. And this is a post in the Suggestions forum that suggests the focus of the LJ site could be well served by optional filtering of off-topic stuff.

I’ve played nice in off-topic threads and I’m a participant in the Handplanes thread. But I swear, yesterday I was catching up on posts via Pulse and on one of the pages about half of the current topocs were off-topic. I steared clear with little effort, true, but thought of the name of the site and this forum and made a suggestion. Whatever happens, happens.

Thanks, ms debbie, for reading. Love the site!

-- Don't anthropomorphize your handplanes. They hate it when you do that. -- OldTools Archive --

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CharlieM1958

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#13 posted 09-29-2011 06:30 PM

I know I sound like a broken record, but:

The simplest option that would seem to satisfy most people’s objections is to put a “hide” check box next to each of the forum descriptions on the top of forum page.

Not only would this give folks the option of hiding non-shop talk, but they could also hide any of the other forums they weren’t interested in.

-- Charlie M. "Woodworking - patience = firewood"

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Sawkerf

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#14 posted 09-29-2011 06:50 PM

+1 for Charlie’s idea. I wouldn’t use it, but it would be available for those who don’t want to see anything outside of their particular interests.

-- Adversity doesn't build character...................it reveals it.

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pierce85

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#15 posted 09-29-2011 06:52 PM

Some simple (simplistic?) stats.

There were approximately 265 new Non-shop Talk threads started since it’s reinstatement about 3 months ago. Of those 265, approximately 35 threads were political or religious in nature. That represents around 13% of all Non-shop Talk threads.

Methodology: When deciding on what threads were political or religious in nature, I only considered the content of the original post and the thread title. When in doubt, I counted a thread as political/religious. In other words, I likely over-counted rather than under-counted these types of threads, thus skewing the percentage of political/religious threads higher. Also, I did not include threads that were started before this forum was reinstated. That is, some threads started under the old forum were commented on during this period – I didn’t include those.

Okay, so here are some of the limitations with my approach:

1) The most responded to thread of this total is the “Congress is just out of touch” thread with 1142 responses. No other thread in the Non-shop Talk forum comes even close.

2) A non-political thread can quickly devolve into a political thread despite the non-political intent of the OP. The same can be true in the other direction but that typically doesn’t happen. I didn’t include these political devolving threads in my count.

3) Political threads tend to generate more activity than their non-political counterparts, so my approach certainly hides this activity in the aggregate (e.g., see #1). If someone did a count on the number of political posts compared to non-political posts, we would likely see a far higher percentage than the 13% with my count. How much higher I don’t know. Someone else can crunch those numbers.

4) I lumped political and religious threads together. Not much of an overall effect because there were very few threads explicitly religious in nature – only a handful at most.

5) I included patriotic threads because these almost always harbor implicit political sentiments.

6) Counting error. I most certainly missed a few political/religious threads according to my criterion, but, then again, I likely included a few that some would find non-political. Nevertheless, I tried to error on the side of inclusion rather than exclusion.

Y’all can draw your own conclusions – yeah, as if that needed to be said… I’m sure there are other limitations to my approach, please point them out and share the results of your improved counting schema, but I’ve spent far too much time already doing this silly exercise. However, it would be interesting to see the outcome of a more non-aggregated analysis, but I’m not doing it.

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