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twiceisnice

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09-28-2011 03:49 PM

NEW TO WOODWORKING , AS I WALKED INTO THE GRIZZLY STORE , I WAS LIKE WOW. LOOK AT ALL THIS STUFF.THEY HAVE EVERYTHING. THE PRICES ARE SO MUCH CHEAPER THAN OTHER MANUFACTURES. I CAN PURCHASE 2 OR 3 MACHINES FOR THE PRICE OF A POWERMATIC ,DELTA SAWSTOP, SCMI, SAFETYSPEEDCUT,AND OTHERS. SO I GOT THE G1023 TABLE SAW TO START. SOFT CAST IRON . THE ROUGH CUT WOOD I WAS SLIDING THROUGH WAS EATING AWAY THE CAST IRON. ALOT OF BACKLASH IN HAND WHEEL CONTROLS. SOFT HARDWARE. NEXT WAS THE G1026 SHAPER . SOFT CAST IRON , SOFT HARDWARE , SPINDLE MOVED WHEN LOCKING, BACKLASH IN HANDWHEEL ADJ. HAD A SHOP SHOPFOX 3 HP SHAPER TOO . SAME PROBLEMS, JUST LOOKED BETTER. NEXT GO609X JOINTER SOFT CAST IRON , MOJOR BACKLASH IN HANDWHEELS ,FENCE HAD SLIGHT TWIST , INFEED OUTFEED TABLES WERE SLIGHTLY OFF . WENT TO ADJUST THE BUSHINGS AFTER UNLOCKING SET SCREWS THE BUSHINGS TOTALLY DISINTEGRATED. SO I LOADED IT UP AND TOOK IT TO GRIZZLY. IT TOOK THEM A MONTH TO REPLACE BUSHINGS AND REALIGN . AS I WAS LOOKING AT THE FLOOR MODEL I NOTICED THE BUSHINGS HAD NO PLACE WHERE YOU COULD PUT A WRENCH ON TO ADJUST THE INFEED AND OUTFEED TABLES . I TOLD THE SALESMEN OF THE PROBLEM. SO IF YOU ORDER ONE , MAKE SURE YOU ASK IF IT HAS THE RIGHT BUSHINGS. I DID LIKE THE SPIRAL CUTTERHEAD 100%. ENOUGH SAID ON THAT. G1071 SPINDLE SANDER IS OK . SOFT CAST IRON , SMALLER SPINDLES WOBBLE. O YEA, WRENCHES. STAMPED WRENCHES. AM I THE ONLY ONE WHO THROWS THEM OUT AFTER ONE USE OR DOES EVERYONE POUND THEM BACK INTO PLACE WITH A HAMMER? GO441 3 HP DUST COLLECTOR . I DO LIKE THE DUST COLLECTOR. 1 PROBLEM . AS I COMPLETED MY DUCTWORK I WAS ANXIOUS TO TRY IT OUT . I TURNED IT ON AND NOTICED A STRANGE SOUND. MY BAG SUCKED INTO THE CYCLONE TANK. %#$@ I HOOKED THE INLET TO THE OUTLET. I COULD’NT HAVE . SO I LOOKED IN THE GRIZ BOOK TO SEE WHAT IS WRONG . IF YOUR GOING TO USE A GARBAGE BAG FOR YOUR SAWDUST IN THE HOLDING BIN YUO NEED A SLEEVE THAT FITS IN IT. INSTED OF PAYING THEIR PRICE , I WENT TO THE LOCAL TIN FAB SHOP TO MAKE ME ONE UP CHEAPER . SO IF YOU ORDER THE DUST COLLECTOR DONT FORGET THAT. GO544 20” SPIRAL PLANER . I’M OK WITH THIS FOR RIGHT NOW , BUT SOON TO BE REPLACED . LOVE THE SPIRAL CUTTERHEAD. . RAN ALOT OF HARDWOOD THROUGHT THIS PLANER WITH MINIMAL PROBLEMS . I RATE THIS PLANER VERY HIGH. CON WEAK MOTORS ,SOFT HARDWARE. THATS ENOUGH SAID ON THIS . I READ ALOT OF POSTS LIKE GRIZZLY VS POWERMATIC ,DELTA, SAWSTOP ,SO ON AND SO ON. YOU CANNOT COMPARE ONY OF THESE MACHINES TO GRIZZLY UNTIL YOU HAVE PHYSICALLY USED THEM. SO TO THE NEWBIE . SAVE YOUR MONEY AND PURCHASE THE BEST MACHINERY YOU CAN BUY. YOUR RESALE VALUE WILL REMAIN HIGH. TRY AVOIDING MAIL ORDER MACHINERY. GO TO YOUR LOCAL WOOD WORKING MACHINERY DEALER LIKE HERMANCE MACHINERY, JG MACHINERY, KH MACHINE YOUR SERVICE WILL BE ALOT BETTER AND KNOWLEDGE OF PROBLEMS WILL BE SOLVED. THEY HAVE SERVICE TECHS THAT WILL COME TO YOUR HOUSE . THAT BEATS LOADING UP YOUR MACHINERY AND HAVING IT DELIVERED WAITING FOR A MONTH OR MORE TO GET IT BACK. WELL THATS MY EXPERIENCE WITH GRIZZLY MACHINERY. IM READY FOR THE BEATING.


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vernonator

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#1 posted 09-28-2011 03:56 PM

Dude…stop yelling – turn off your caps, and add a few paragraphs/breaks your post is unreadable.

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PurpLev

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#2 posted 09-28-2011 04:06 PM

1. you have a lot of good content in your post, but it’s very hard to read – turn off the caplock and use paragraphs. otherwise the people that might benefit from this post might not be able to read it through

2. for some folks ‘get the best machine you can get’ equals getting a grizzly 3hp TS or other grizzly machine – this is their ‘best’ in their budget. when the budget is ~1500 you cannot buy a $4000 powermatic.

3. I think you made some very valid points there that show why the grizzly machines are cheaper than their equivalent (on spec) powermatics/deltas/scmi/hammer/minimax/and the list goes on. for hobby work I think it would work well, for a professional shop that relies on those machines to run day and night maybe not so much so. that said – todays powermatics are made offshore – not much different than grizzly although they MAY have better quality control in place. are you referring to new powermatics? or the old made-in-the-usa machines? very different products bearing the same name.

good info nonetheless.

for what it’s worth – I have a grizzly machine, and it does use softer hardware, but for my once in a while use its not an issue and the price made it possible for me to have it which would otherwise have not been the case.

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#3 posted 09-28-2011 04:06 PM

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#4 posted 09-28-2011 04:21 PM

For a while I thought you were gonna be saying that you were goin’ back to Craftsman tools.
I’ll stick with my Grizz stuff.FWIW.
Bill

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#5 posted 09-28-2011 04:30 PM

I hope somebody else can answer this, because I’m OUT!

-- jay, www.allaboutastro.com

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#6 posted 09-28-2011 04:56 PM

YO BUDDY, I CAN’T HEAR YOUR MESSAGE OVER THE SOUND OF YOUR COMPUTER SHOUTING AT ME!!!

-- Sometimes the creative process requires foul language. -- Charles Neil

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#7 posted 09-28-2011 05:03 PM

Sorry, wrong post…

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#8 posted 09-28-2011 05:09 PM

Someone else has seen the same problems I saw. I stopped buying/using Griz product before I had many dollars invested. Only 3 pieces of equipment and one warrentee request, and I was no longer in their camp [bandsaw, mortiser, shaper].

Exclusively use the good stuff now.

-- Rustfever, Central California

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twiceisnice

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#9 posted 09-28-2011 05:21 PM

I have a budget. Theres the now budget and theres save your money to get a good one.

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#10 posted 09-28-2011 05:35 PM

I don’t bother reading all caps. Waste of my time trying to figure out what’s being said.

-- Life is good.

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wasmithee

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#11 posted 09-28-2011 06:24 PM

Nice feedback. I’ve enjoyed my Grizzly 12” jointer, though I am a hobby user.

For everyone’s benefit I reformatted your screaming post into something a bit more legible:
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(twiceisnice)
New to woodworking , as i walked into the grizzly store , i was like wow. Look at all this stuff. They have everything. The prices are so much cheaper than other manufactures. i can purchase 2 or 3 machines for the price of a powermatic ,delta sawstop, scmi, safetyspeedcut,and others.

So I got the g1023 table saw to start. Soft cast iron. The rough cut wood i was sliding through was eating away the cast iron. A lot of backlash in hand wheel controls. Soft hardware.

Next was the g1026 shaper. Soft cast iron, soft hardware , spindle moved when locking, backlash in handwheel adj.

Had a shop shopfox 3 hp shaper too. Same problems just looked better.

Next go609x jointer soft cast iron, mojor backlash in handwheels, fence had slight twist, infeed/outfeed tables were slightly off . Went to adjust the bushings after unlocking set screws the bushings totally disintegrated. So i loaded it up and took it to grizzly. It took them a month to replace bushings and realign . As i was looking at the floor model i noticed the bushings had no place where you could put a wrench on to adjust the infeed and outfeed tables . I told the salesmen of the problem. So if you order one , make sure you ask if it has the right bushings. I did like the spiral cutterhead 100%. Enough said on that.

G1071 spindle sander is ok . soft cast iron , smaller spindles wobble. O yea, wrenches. Stamped wrenches. Am i the only one who throws them out after one use or does everyone pound them back into place with a hammer?

G0441 3 hp dust collector. I do like the dust collector. 1 problem. As i completed my ductwork i was anxious to try it out. I turned it on and noticed a strange sound. My bag sucked into the cyclone tank. %#$@ i hooked the inlet to the outlet. I couldn’t have. So i looked in the griz book to see what is wrong. If you’re going to use a garbage bag for your sawdust in the holding bin you need a sleeve that fits in it. Instead of paying their price , i went to the local tin fab shop to make me one up cheaper . So if you order the dust collector don’t forget that.

G0544 20” spiral planer. I’m ok with this for right now, but soon to be replaced . Love the spiral cutterhead. Ran a lot of hardwood through this planer with minimal problems. I rate this planer very high. Con weak motors, soft hardware. That’s enough said on this.

I read a lot of posts like grizzly vs Powermatic ,Delta, Sawstop ,so on and so on. You cannot compare any of these machines to grizzly until you have physically used them. So to the newbie. Save your money and purchase the best machinery you can buy. Your resale value will remain high. Try avoiding mail order machinery. go to your local wood working machinery dealer like Hermance machinery, JG machinery, KH machine your service will be a lot better and knowledge of problems will be solved. They have service techs that will come to your house. That beats loading up your machinery and having it delivered waiting for a month or more to get it back. Well that’s my experience with grizzly machinery. I’m ready for the beating.
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twiceisnice

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#12 posted 09-28-2011 06:28 PM

Thank you WASMITHEE

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#13 posted 09-28-2011 07:31 PM

Somehow I’m having trouble with the fact so many machines were defective at the same time.
Just my $.02

-- Life is good.

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#14 posted 09-28-2011 07:42 PM

I’m sorry, but I’ve been an engineer in a foundry most of my career and “soft cast iron” does not exist. The better, more expensive grades might be considered “softer” than the really cheap stuff which is hard and brittle.

If you have lumber wearing out the surface of a cast iron table you need to look at your wood storage area. Must have dirt and or sand on your wood.

Now, as for control hardware, that can be soft, like A-36 steel instead of alloyed steel.

In the interest of full disclosure, I don’t own a Grizzly tool, but I have one of the cheapest cast iron table saws on the market, a Craftsman, and I’d never say it was soft. Crappy fit and finish, designed on the bleeding edge of too light and flimsy to be useful, but it ain’t soft. Probably comes from the same Asian factory as the Grizzly. I do know several woodworkers who have Grizzly saws that they just love.

Seems to me if you bought machines 7 times from Grizzly (thanks wasmithee for making the count possible) you would have noticed the problem before you filled up your shop. Makes me wonder what they did to piss you off. Just sayin.

-- Michael :-{| “If you tell a big enough lie and tell it frequently enough, it will be believed.” ― A H

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#15 posted 09-28-2011 07:53 PM

I got about 1/3 of the way through it. You gambled when you bought 7 machines for the price of three and you lost. It’s not a unique story but I’m sorry for your experience. You should be able to unload them pretty easily. There are still plenty of people who really like Grizzly. I’m not one of them but that’s not really relevant.

-- My dad and I built a 65 chev pick up.I killed trannys in that thing for some reason-Hog

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