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Forum topic by David Grimes posted 09-25-2011 11:54 AM 2209 views 0 times favorited 34 replies Add to Favorites Watch
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David Grimes

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09-25-2011 11:54 AM

This stuff is really nice:

http://www.woodcraft.com/Tab/001.aspx?refcode=11INPROM&utm_source=directemail&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=11INPROM

I have lesser quality (and priced) versions of all of these things. I was adding the cost of what it would take to substitute this outfit for my tools (about 12 grand or so)... and then wondered what I have invested in my cheap-o but new and usable counterparts… about $1500. Of course my stuff is Ridgid TS, BS, DP, J/P, then HF DC, and who-the-hell-knows 40” lathe.

Huge difference. I think I’ll stand down… but it sure would be nice.

-- If you're going to stir the pot, think BIG spoon or SMALL boat paddle. David Grimes, Georgia


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ajosephg

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#1 posted 09-25-2011 02:05 PM

We can always dream.

-- Joe

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Tedstor

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#2 posted 09-25-2011 02:53 PM

Georgeous machines. The bandsaw being my favorite machine, I’ve lusted for a PM in my shop for a long time. That 90th anv BS is making me drool.
But like you, I have to “settle” for a Ridgid, which I just bought a few days ago.

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CharlieM1958

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#3 posted 09-25-2011 03:35 PM

I was looking at those the other day. Based on the prices, PM sure must be proud of them!

-- Charlie M. "Woodworking - patience = firewood"

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Chris

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#4 posted 09-25-2011 05:17 PM

Would you really want a shop full of black machines? I know my shop seems dark enough as it is….

-- "Everything that is great and inspiring is created by the individual who labors in freedom" -- Albert Einstein

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ShaneA

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#5 posted 09-25-2011 05:45 PM

Powermatic is proud of their machines, no doubt. With a $10,500 difference in price, you could still buy a good used pickup truck. Or a literal boatload of wood. Since I dont have machines like that, it is hard to imagine how much better a woodworker or how much more enjoyable the hobby would be with those tools. I doubt $10.5k better, but I could be wrong.

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Chris

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#6 posted 09-25-2011 05:50 PM

I do own 2 Powermatic machines. A 3520b Lathe and a 6” jointer. Absolutely love the precision, weight & quality; Wouldn’t trade them for the world. They are made well enough to be able to pass them on to the next generation of woodworkers and still be a very good tool.

Also, As I understand it the new Onyx tool line has much longer warranty too.

-- "Everything that is great and inspiring is created by the individual who labors in freedom" -- Albert Einstein

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Lee Barker

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#7 posted 09-25-2011 08:22 PM

Are we succumbing to the allure of an irresistible paint job?

What the heck is an “anniversary” line? Well, if it’s any better than their previous product, they aren’t telling us that. And wouldn’t a product that’s improved be pushed for its improvement?

So it must be paint. Just paint.

For fun, put yourself in the boardroom when a vice president comes in with a proposal: “We can put nice paint on our usual tools, using exactly the same castings as on our “regular” machines, downgrade the bearings (because the folks who buy these glamorous tools rarely use them) and no one will know the difference!”

President: “Well done, but how do we market them?”

Veep: “Usual way: double truck four color ads in all the amateur woodworking magazines, press releases, get them placed on the TV shows.”

P: “Nice plan. Let’s do it. Just be sure you stay in budget on the paint job. Maybe drop the swirly pin stripes.”

V.: “OK chief, we’ll 86 the pin stripes. Oh, and I forgot to add that we’ll call them “LIMITED EDITION.” That always seems to put a little urgency into the sales pitch.”

P: “Wait, does that mean we have to stock a whole different line of parts?”

V: “No, just a couple cans of paint.”

Kindly,

Lee

-- "...in his brain, which is as dry as the remainder biscuit after a voyage, he hath strange places cramm'd with observation, the which he vents in mangled forms." --Shakespeare, "As You Like It"

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David Grimes

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#8 posted 09-25-2011 11:00 PM

It is almost silly how nothing but color can influence us and our buying decisions. There are certain vehicle colors that are absolute show stoppers for me. They could cut the price 50% and still no way.

I absolutely detest (so will never own other than to re-sell) a Gibson heritage cherry sunburst. It’s like the red shoes of guitar finishes to me.

And how do you explain the Les Paul Custom at $3500 but the Studio at $1000, yet the only difference is the binding and inlay ?!?

Actually, I’m glad I got what I got… and that beautiful but high priced group just makes me feel like I haven’t done too badly value-wise.

-- If you're going to stir the pot, think BIG spoon or SMALL boat paddle. David Grimes, Georgia

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superstretch

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#9 posted 09-26-2011 05:51 AM

If you’re a Steelers fan, why not?

-- Dan, Rochester, NY

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David Grimes

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#10 posted 09-26-2011 06:22 AM

Not that it matters, but… uh, correct me if I’m wrong, but that is charcoal gray at most.

Better than Jets fans’ favorite colors. ;=)

-- If you're going to stir the pot, think BIG spoon or SMALL boat paddle. David Grimes, Georgia

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superstretch

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#11 posted 09-26-2011 06:31 AM

Not that it matters but the Bills are #1 in the AFC anyway :) Imagine that…

-- Dan, Rochester, NY

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David Grimes

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#12 posted 09-27-2011 04:43 AM

I was referring to the Grizzly green and Polar white, but I am impressed with the Bills. But we all know what happens when they go to the Super Bowl. Maybe 5th time will be the charm, eh ?

-- If you're going to stir the pot, think BIG spoon or SMALL boat paddle. David Grimes, Georgia

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pierce85

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#13 posted 09-27-2011 05:18 AM

And then there’s this at $12,500. No, it’s not used. It’s a Yngwie Malmsteen Tribute Stratocaster reproduction. You’re paying a premium for someone to make it look like that.

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David Grimes

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#14 posted 09-27-2011 05:35 AM

They call those relics… cigarette burns at the headstock, etc. etc. etc.

Then the not-as-beat-up ones are “closet relics”.

The Malmsteen is I believe the only Fender factory guitar with scalloped fretboard from the 12th fret up.

Cool, but… Not interested.

-- If you're going to stir the pot, think BIG spoon or SMALL boat paddle. David Grimes, Georgia

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pierce85

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#15 posted 09-27-2011 05:45 AM

Yep, the only thing that should be scalloped on a guitar is the bracing ;-)

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