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Forum topic by billc posted 09-24-2011 08:12 PM 1309 views 0 times favorited 8 replies Add to Favorites Watch
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09-24-2011 08:12 PM

Topic tags/keywords: conservation reuse sequestration

We in this nation waste everything, but one thing that concerns me the most is burning good urban wood in an incinerator to make energy for the moment and calling it green energy or using it as alternative daily cover (ADC) in landfills where it is also classified a green diversion. If you agree please sign my We the People Petition:

-- Bill, Marin County California,

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#1 posted 09-24-2011 08:37 PM

What do you mean by “good urban wood”?

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#2 posted 09-24-2011 08:38 PM

Sorry there is just not enough backgrount information here, just an emotional plea. Laws should not be based on emotion but fact.

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#3 posted 09-25-2011 06:01 AM

From the link provided above:

“Our nation has many needs: jobs, deficit, healthcare, energy, and pollution. Unfortunately, there doesn’t appear to be a solution to solve these needs, except one, ending the burying and burning of waste.”

So the ending of burying and burning of waste will solve the needs listed?

“We waste everything, food, energy, building materials, perfectly fine goods, and most concerning, human potential. If we stopped wasting we would create an economic opportunity like NONE EVER BEFORE, creating new jobs, new materials, new products, new world leadership in waste recovery and more.”

Ok, I agree with this part for the most part.

“As world population grows and natural resources decline we have little time to act. So show your support for closing all landfills and shutting down all incinerators in 5 years, putting America to work, by putting our waste to work, making America’s quality of life and economy the very best.”

Waste reduction is an important goal. I agree that we, as people, waste entirely too much. However, if we close all landfills, where will we put the waste that cannot be recycled, reused, or disposed of in any other way? Yes, it is true that a lot of what goes into landfills now can be used in other ways. This is not true for 100% of it though. I cannot with good conscience put my support behind a proposal to close down a form of waste disposal, good or not, that offers no other alternatives.

I am tired of hearing certain groups who want people to get behind “change” without even offering an explanation of what that “change” entails. I’m all for change for the better. Change, in and of itself, is not necessarily a good thing. Sometimes “change” can be for the worse.
This petition that is at the link provided is a perfect example. Someone wants to close all landfills and incinerators. That is a worthy goal. I agree with that. Before it can be done though, there has to be alternatives in place to take care of every bit of waste that currently goes into these incinerators and landfills. So therefore, the author of the petition is putting the cart before the horse, so to speak. It is desired to close these forms of disposal. I offer that this is a backwards way to do it, even if I do agree with the concept. The correct way would be to find a way to dispose of all this waste in a better fashion. If and when that is figured out, then the landfills and incinerators would stop anyway, since there would be no more waste to go into them.


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#4 posted 09-25-2011 06:15 AM

well said William.

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#5 posted 09-26-2011 09:19 PM

I think what we are witnessing is someone trying to push their political agenda. Don’t know what it is and they don’t say.

-- Don, Diamond Lake Custom Woodworks - - "If you make something idiot proof, all they do is make a better idiot"

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#6 posted 09-29-2011 05:26 AM

Now I have a perfect example for why I find the petition in question, well, questionable.
While planing wood for my current project, I have produced twelve large garbage bags of shavings. The bags are full of a combination of cottonwood, mahogany, pine, white oak, and red oak. I put these out to the curb yesterday for garbage pickup. I’m assuming they are headed to the landfill somewhere.

Why don’t I recycle?
Oh, I do.
I now have twenty buckets of sawdust in the back room of the shop. I use this for things such as floor dry. Of course, after using it, it also winds up on the curb.
I save all my cedar shaving. I know a guy that uses that in his pet cages. Where does it go after that? I’m assuming to the curb and eventually the landfill.
I also save bags of sawdust and shavings for another guy that has a mechanic shop. You guessed it. It’s used as floor dry, then probably through the routine again and ends up in a landfill.
I have a spot out back where I keep a layer of shavings for worm beds. I’m a fisherman. I’ve learned that certain sized shavings make perfect worm beds.
There always comes a point though that I have nothing else to do with these shavngs besides put them on the curb.

Now, I am not saying that I have a problem with this being used for another purpose. If the original poster of this topic would like to pay shipping, I’ll be more than happy to send all these shavings in the future to him so he can save it from the landfill.
I’m willing to bet he doesn’t want it.
Well, because there is really nothing the average person can do with it. You see? Herein lies the rub.

There is certain waste that us average citizens just have no other option besides put it by the curb. If all landfills are banned (I’m not going into the incinerator topic, because I know nothing about it) then I’m assuming that the garbage companies would have to do something else with it. Unless the government is going to subsidize it, the cost of them “doing something with it” will be passed on to us, the consumer. I pay too much for garbage pickup now. I just wrote a check yesterday to Waste Management for my bill. It was $78.25.
I cannot afford to pay more because they have to carry it somewhere else besides the landfills. I will not go further into the government subsidized idea, because the government cannot afford to take care of it’s present responsibilities, much less subsidize an impossible endeavor of wasting nothing.

Ok, so back to our original example, planer shavings. If there is no landfill option, then where does it go and what do we do with it?
For argument’s sake, let’s go with the floor dry example. It does make good floor dry. Actually, this is why I use it for that purpose. It’s cheaper than commercial floor dry. In my opinion it works better, and it gives it one more use before going to the landfill.
So, we use it as floor dry. Now it is soaked with oil, grease, dog urine,or whatever else you dried up with it. Now what? What else can it be used for?
Well, we could maybe still use it on worm beds.
But how many darn worm beds can you make?
So we keep making worm beds until the entire country is one giant worm bed. Now what?
Well we can act like it’s the sawdust floor like they used to have in dance halls a hundred years ago.
Why not? This is headed towards ridiculous anyway.

I promise, I am not trying to be an @$$ with this example. It is just one example. You could break down pretty much any waste in the world and go to the same kind of ridicilous extremes with it very quickly though. So what are we to do with this stuff when it is no longer useful for ANYTHING?

Before anyone advocates doing something like banning a necessary evil like landfill, there has to be options in place as to what to do with what goes in those landfills. That would be like saying you’re wanting to ban gasoline by a certain date without having a viable alternative fuel already on the market. It just doesn’t make sense.


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#7 posted 09-29-2011 10:36 PM

I found the guy that I am sure has the answer to this whole problem because he looks like he HAS to know a LOT about recycling.


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#8 posted 09-29-2011 11:36 PM

I save and return all of my CRV containers to a recycle center in a local shopping mall parking lot. Early mornings are the worst time to go there. There’s always a line of people with shopping carts and small pickups loaded with recyclables.

We have 2-3 folks who make the rounds in my neighborhood on trash pickup day. They load shopping carts with bottles, cans, etc from the recycling bins.

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