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09-23-2011 07:21 AM

Topic tags/keywords: news einsteins teory

is the wood dust going to fall up … and

are we going to write the naturlaws one more time ?

it seems to be so that the relativitets terory is gone ….

scientist´s in europe had messurred a partikel to faster then the light

and now they have ask there college´s in Japan and USA to recalculate
to see if its right what they have messurred 16000 times the last two years

here is an article from a Danish newspaper just scroll down and translate

http://ekstrabladet.dk/nyheder/videnskab_og_teknik/article1625882.ece

take care
Dennis


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#1 posted 09-23-2011 07:46 AM

I think it’s an aberation in the measuring tools.

This said I have read many times that the relativity law needs some tweeking in light of recent discoveries.

-- Abbas, Castro Valley, CA

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#2 posted 09-23-2011 04:26 PM

Interesting, to say the least. I don’t understand even a fraction of what goes on at places like CERN, etc, but it’s awesome to see experiments of that nature being carried out.

-- Dan, Rochester, NY

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#3 posted 09-23-2011 04:38 PM

I read that article earlier and it really is interesting. It’s always interesting to see what comes of all the experiments and how things change. However, it’s only interesting. My life won’t change much. Even if the speed of light is determined to be only the second fastest thing measured, it’s still faster than anything I can deal with. Practicle application…poo

-- Gary, DeKalb Texas only 4 miles from the mill

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#4 posted 09-23-2011 05:16 PM

Anyone who thought the speed of light was the fasting thing in the universe never opened their wallet in front of a teenager and watched the money fly out.

-- Charlie M. "Woodworking - patience = firewood"

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#5 posted 09-23-2011 05:55 PM

I am reading a book on anti-gravity…..just cannot put it down!

-- Rowdy in Kechi, Kansas

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#6 posted 09-23-2011 06:00 PM

haha rowdy. that was funny!! :)

-- Hey you dang woodchucks, quit chucking my wood!!!!

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#7 posted 09-23-2011 06:26 PM

I read this earlier and am fascinated by the idea. I am looking forward to hearing the results of the verification.

-- “That it will never come again / Is what makes life so sweet. ” ― Emily Dickinson

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#8 posted 09-23-2011 07:03 PM

The next thing you know, they are going to find out that we blondes are smarter than the average person!

Hummmm. . . You never know! :)

Sheila

-- Designer/Artist/Teacher. Owner of Sheila Landry Designs (http://www.sheilalandrydesigns.com) Scroll saw, wood working and painting patterns and surfaces. "Knowledge is Power"

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#9 posted 09-23-2011 07:04 PM

^huge lol, Shelia!

-- My dad and I built a 65 chev pick up.I killed trannys in that thing for some reason-Hog

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#10 posted 09-23-2011 07:07 PM

No, dust will not be falling upward.

There is a lot of confusion as to the meanings of words “fact” and “theory” that lead to various rhetorical fallacies. Many falsely believe that fact means “truth” and theory means “speculation” or use all of the above interchangeably leading to even more misunderstanding.

Scientific fact is an objective and verifiable observation, in contrast to theory, which explains and interprets facts. This is all there is to it. Theory can be refuted or adapted to explain newly discovered facts.

For example:
1) Light traveling at around 300000 km/sec is a fact. Nothing can exceed the speed of 300000 km/sec is a theory. (Note: it is called a theory of relativity).
2) Apple falling on the Newton’s head is a fact (OK it would be hard to verify since the subject is dead). Gravity is the force behind it is a theory.

Whatever the scientists at CERN discover will not refute facts, but may refine or refute theories.

No reputable scientist (to my knowledge) ever stated that 300000 km/sec is a limit to anything that moves is a fact. This notion is a product of popular culture.

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#11 posted 09-23-2011 08:09 PM

Nicely put, Viktor! I agree. But let me offer this challenge. Can you make an observation statement that is not theoretically bound, i.e., can you state a fact without reliance upon some theoretical framework that makes sense of that fact?

By the way, at least for me, this is what makes this potential discovery so interesting.

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#12 posted 09-23-2011 08:49 PM

Pierce85, probably not. You probably can’t avoid some level of reliance on theories while obtaining other (unrelated) new facts. If I understand your question correctly. The keys thought are “objective” (independent of the observer) and “verifiable”.
I guess I was responding to a smirk, commonly observed when a theory falls, that the science is no good, yada, yada, yada… That’s the whole point! It is a system based on self improvement. It is when the theories don’t change we are in trouble.

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#13 posted 09-23-2011 11:53 PM

”If it’s good enough for them that because you said it that it must be so then, from their subjective perspective it is fact. So when you say that there are elves in the forest, it is fact.”

Except it will not be a fact in scientific sense by definition (I believe pierce85 was talking about scientific facts). Scientific fact has to be objective i.e. independent of the observer. You have to be able to find an independent party to verify it.

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#14 posted 09-24-2011 12:34 AM

Sheila …. LOL
you have to wait until hollywood proofe it as they have done so many times
with traveling faster than the speed of light

Rowdy … :-)) are you still hoovering over the armchair wondering why it feels so soft

Gary :-) count me in I´m so lazy that I don´t even come near to breake the sound barrier

Charlie then you don´t have been around my vallet .... they dissapeer faster than I can earn them :-(

All incl. Viktor , Pierce , Cr1 :-)
Superstrech even one for you here I think
its a little light to havey article about Einsteins different theory´s and his life
very interressting :-)
sorry you have to translate this one too … but its a Danish author on this one

http://www.rostra.dk/louis/andreart/Einstein.html

Dennis

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#15 posted 09-24-2011 05:33 AM

I think it is very interesting how the fellows who made the observations are asking others to find the flaws in their methods, equipment, procedures etc. They know that this may change some fundamental understandings so are really looking for the, what they are certain exist, flaws in their results. A pretty cool illustration of how the scientific world works. I like how in the CNN article where I first read about this, someone made the observation that this ‘discovery’ wouldn’t affect the price of a loaf of bread but it was still an extremely interesting set of observations.

-- "Checking for square? What madness is this! The cabinet is square because I will it to be so!" Jeremy Greiner LJ Topic#20953 2011 Feb 2

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