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fkinmont

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09-23-2011 05:10 AM

Topic tags/keywords: shop grizzly planer jointer table saw

hello, im setting up shop (24’x29’) and am looking at a planer (15”), jointer (6-8”), and a table saw as my main purchases to start. if possible i want new high quality tools that can get me started within my budget. I like the idea of buying a single brand. ive researched a few brands, grizzly seems to be good an option, any brands? Ideas for maximizing a $10000 investment? thoughts… -FK


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#1 posted 09-23-2011 04:55 PM

That seems a sizable sum of money you have to spend there. There have been many reviews on the machines you have outlined for initial purchase. Unless you desperately need a colour coordinated shop it may be a better option to look at the machines you need on an individual basis. Of course it might just turn out that all the best options you require are of the same brand.

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Steven H

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#2 posted 09-23-2011 05:12 PM

Brand means nothing these day.

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James Clapperton

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#3 posted 09-23-2011 05:16 PM

Congrats! I saved up a little pile of cash and did the same thing last year. It’s so nice getting what you want instead of just getting by. Anyways, just one thought, I have a Shop Fox table saw, a Sunhill jointer, a Grizzly band saw and a I forget the name of it drill press. Point being, they are all Taiwanese by Geetech, so they are all Grizzly. They just happen to be 4 different colors. By all means, if you want a classy color coordinated shop then do it (and I will be jealous). But I got a 3hp cabinet saw, band saw, 8” jointer, 735 planer, drill press ad router table with router for just over $2500, used. I spent the last $2500 of my budget (quickly) on the never ending accessories like bits, blades, sandpaper and finishes. Oh yeah, don’t forget to buy some wood. I say all of this because with the high cost of this habit, sometimes you forget that after you have all of the nice gear, you still have to buy your really expensive lumber . This year my nest egg will be spent almost entirely on wood so i dont have to worry about getting to the yard through the winter. Good luck. Can’t wait to see what you end up with.

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Bill White

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#4 posted 09-23-2011 05:28 PM

I have never been disappointed with Grizz stuff. Great customer service and parts when needed. The price/value relationship is excellent. The new TSs with the riving knife are great.
Bill

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HorizontalMike

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#5 posted 09-23-2011 05:31 PM

As Steven said, ”...Brand means nothing…” at least when you start looking at multiple types of machines, IMO. While I like Grizzly (new G0690TS and used G0593 8in Jointer), I went with a 14in Rikon when it came to a BS and with Ridgid for a 13in Planer. In other words, take the time to ferret out each piece of equipment, regardless of brand.

BTW, I dropped ~$7,000 last year doing the same thing (big equipment). Then there are all the little things like routers, bits, blades, handplanes, lighting, dust collection routing, WOOD, etc.

Good luck and have fun!

-- HorizontalMike -- "Woodpeckers understand..."

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#6 posted 09-23-2011 05:33 PM

I think $10,000 will go a long way, which really highlights how relatively cheap this hobby is (considering that a new pickup truck is $30-60K nowadays). To truly maximize the investment, you could go with vintage tools, at least partly. A Unisaw for $700 and an 8” jointer for less than $500 probably. You could splurge on a larger new planer if you have trouble finding a vintage one. If your strongly favoring new tools, don’t forget about JET. Although a bit more than Grizzly in many instances, well within reason on your budget. I think you can get all the big machines for around $5K, leaving you with $5K for dust collection and select hand tools. What an exciting time for you!

-- My dad and I built a 65 chev pick up.I killed trannys in that thing for some reason-Hog

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#7 posted 09-23-2011 05:40 PM

Maximize $10k to invest? Buy used. Buy opportunistically. Have cash ready.
There are many, many makers of good machinery. Some of them are no
longer well known, but the machines are solid and can do good work.

You’re basically flushing half your investment down the toilet if you buy new –
as a rule of thumb, machines of the previous generation of design innovation
or older resell for 60% or less of original new purchase (not list) price. I
recently sold a 20-year old Powermatic 8” jointer for $550 – roughly
half of new. I started it at $700 on Craigslist and dropped the price to
$600 after a week or two. $600 was the sweet spot, because a guy called
immediately eager to snap it up. He offered $550 and the deal was made.

Buy at auctions and get machinery for even less. Cabinet shops fold and
liquidate all the time.

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#8 posted 09-23-2011 05:44 PM

I wouldn’t get too hung up on buying a single brand. IME, no single manufacturer makes the best of every kind of tool. As far as specific tools, I highly recommend the DeWalt 735 planer. It’s pretty much top of the line for small shops. I don’t have a jointer, and am pretty fond of my Jet “Supersaw”. Others will, I’m sure, chime in with their suggestions.

You don’t mention dust collection, but that should be high on your list. Locating the DC, ducting, gates, etc is a major part of deciding on a shop layout.

If your budget is just for tools, I envy you. You shouldn’t have any problems equipping your shop with great tools. If the budget has to cover building your shop, you’ll probably find yourself bargain hunting pretty quickly. – lol

-- Adversity doesn't build character...................it reveals it.

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#9 posted 09-23-2011 05:53 PM

Your circumstances sound similar to mine last year. One of the things I did was to have an electrician in to convert some plugs to 220v. The main machines I got were the mid-range 220v SawStop, a G0555 Grizzly bandsaw which I converted to 220V (though I wish I’d gotten the Extreme version now), a Dewalt 13” planer and stand, and a Grizzly 8” 220v jointer. This year I am adding a Laguna 2HP cyclone dust collector and a permanent dust collection ducting system.

Other smaller tools include a Porter Cable drill press, a Carba tec mini lathe, a Dewalt scroll saw and a Dewalt miter saw. I got the Grizzly wet grinder system but wish I had saved up enough to get the Tormek instead.

Regarding Sawkerf’s comment about dust collection – I got some valuable advice from a neighbor when I was starting out. He said to get all the machines first and decide where they were going to be before planning the dust collection. And sure enough, I changed my layout several times over a few months before decided on the final arrangement.

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HorizontalMike

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#10 posted 09-23-2011 06:07 PM

Elizabeth is right about finding the “right” equip layout before commiting your DC routing. As a matter of fact I ended up choosing to remain with a single hose solution that I move between my TS, BS, Jointer, and Planer. I have a one person shop and by running a single 20ft flex hose to my separator and DC I get stronger and more efficient collection. I do have a dedicated shop-vac separator for my miter saw though.

Check out building your own DC separator/baffle if you have the time.

-- HorizontalMike -- "Woodpeckers understand..."

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#11 posted 09-23-2011 07:40 PM

I am another one jumping on the forget about a single brand bandwagon. No one manufacturer will give you all that you want. Just too many options out there.

You have a budget of $10K, which is a bucket of cash when you think about it. So let’s assume it were ME doing this, and I had your budget and nothing in my shop…

Item #1. Table saw. I would opt for a Grizzly G0691. You can spend a lot more money, but you won’t IMHO get a better saw except if you want the added safety of a SawStop. $1,494.00 delivered.

Item #2. I don’t get the 15 inch planer thing… That is a bucket of cash extra for 2 inches that at least in the way I work doesn’t buy you squat. Instead, I would go with a DeWalt DW735 with the infeed / outfeed tables ($569.00 + $49.00 for a total of $618.00).

Item #3. Grizzly G0609 12” Parallelogram 4 knife cutter head jointer. Might as well be able to face joint most of the stuff that will end up going through the planer right? $2,250.00 delivered.

You will need dust collection. JDS 14059 2100-CK $1,800.00 delivered.

You will need to drill straight holes. Grizzly G7948 $669.00 delivered.

You’ll want a band saw right? Grizzly G0513X2F 17” 2HP $1,189.00 delivered…

So far you are looking at $8,020.00. The remaining $1,800.00 would very quickly disapppear into dust collection fittings, bits, and blades…

-- My workshop blog can be found at http://daves-workshop.blogspot.com

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fkinmont

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#12 posted 09-23-2011 07:44 PM

thanks for all the great feed back! i have worked hard for this and appreciate all the advice. i think buying used is probably my best option value wise, i have been looking for the right machines but its difficult to find without buying new, ill be checking into any auctions i can, thanks Loren. Buying regardless of brand seems logical, having some model #’s is great to seek out the quality products within a brand. this budget is mostly set for planer/jointer/saw, dust collection as well but i think ill let things find their place first. I guess i like buying new tools, but when it comes to a shop thats a expensive road to go down. Thanks, -FK

looking forward to the next few weeks!

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longgone

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#13 posted 09-23-2011 07:55 PM

My shop is also a mixture of differrent brands…Grizzly, Jet, Powermatic, Delta…etc. If looking all the same is important then spray paint is the answer. Like others have sais, the Grizzly tools are a great choice and value for the money. I have carbide spiral cutters on my planer and jointer and I am always glad I spent the few extra dollars getting them. My Grizzly planer is 15” and I rarely need to plane anything that wide but the exttra power of the bigger motor is a good thing in addition to the sturdiness of a 400+ pound machine.
My jointer is 6” but I should have purchased a wider one.

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rance

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#14 posted 09-23-2011 08:19 PM

Don’t get in a hurry. Buy when you see a good deal and get a discount. Buy when you really need it and you’ll pay full retail, or more.

I’d highly recommend the SawStop(Professional model). Aside from the safety aspect, it is a great saw.

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Elizabeth

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#15 posted 09-23-2011 08:36 PM

Oh, and any DeWalt or other name brands that your local Lowe’s or Home Depot sell…get one of the 20% off Harbor Freight coupons and give it a try. I used one with my PC drill press at Lowes, and at my local DIY shop which takes competitor’s coupons I used one for the Dewalt planer and another for the Dewalt miter saw. Saved hundreds between the three.

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