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richgreer

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09-17-2011 03:01 PM

FYI – This is not intended to be a serious topic, but we may get some interesting responses.

I’ve had an assistant helping me on a project at the church. He’s very helpful (and he likes to do the clean up).

When we are checking measurements and he finds that we are off by a very little bit he will say that we are off by “a scosch”. I would describe how much we are off in a similar situation as “a tad”.

In my mind, a tad is less than 1/32nd of an inch and more than a hair. I’m not sure what my assistant’s definition of a scosch is other than “a little bit”.

As an FYI – I am also prone to talk about how far off I am by reference to the with of the saw blade (on a table saw or miter saw). I will say 1/2 or 1/4 of a saw blade.

How do you talk about being off by a little bit? What terms do you use and what do they mean. Of course, some of you are never off so you probably don’t have a term to use.

Related – Sometimes, when trying to get the fit right we will “inch up” on the final size. I find that to be an odd phrase since when I am “inching up” I am usually taking cuts that remove something that is a LOT less than an inch. Do people who use the metric system “millimeter up”?

-- Rich, Cedar Rapids, IA - I'm a woodworker. I don't create beauty, I reveal it.


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#1 posted 09-17-2011 03:17 PM

Whoa,
your both just ” a hair off ”, this can be seen when you fit together two pieces, if you can see into the joint then it a “hair line” off, so you sand the end of the tennon, just a ’ hair ‘ to fix it so its tight, GaryW
( I just don’t understand. I cut it off twice and its still too short )

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#2 posted 09-17-2011 03:21 PM

Well, people have told me that I was about “half a bubble” off from time to time. Also, there was that time that I cut that board 3 times and it was still too short. :)

In answer to your question, I have been known to use the word “fudge” for being just a little off. And when trying to fit pieces in an existing structure that isn’t exactly square or level, I have been known to use what we call “fudge factor number 9” to refer to that little bit of adjustment used in making something fit. On occasion, that means applying the technology of “if it doesn’t fit, get a bigger hammer” – or whatever weapon of persuasion seems appropriate at the time.

Doc

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#3 posted 09-17-2011 03:43 PM

scosh,tad,inch(sneak)up,half a bubble,fudge…I’ve heard all the descriptions and I think it depends on what part of the country you are in. The thought intended is carried over. I tend to have to “tweak” a little.
Good post Rich

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saddletramp

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#4 posted 09-17-2011 03:47 PM

My answer to this question is not family friendly so I will cease and desist. ;^)))

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#5 posted 09-17-2011 04:01 PM

Same here, Bob. :-)

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#6 posted 09-17-2011 04:17 PM

Gene and Saddletramp: You guys must have been thinking of the famed RCH.

It ain’t offensive if you don’t know what it means. :-)

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#7 posted 09-17-2011 04:20 PM

Saddle is that CH?

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#8 posted 09-17-2011 05:00 PM

“Micro-milli-tad” anyone?.......picked that up from a friend a long time ago…....

In my mind, I “sneak up” on things, I don’t inch up on them…..........(-:

..........does that make me “sneaky”?

I also use “tad” and “scosch” and “a wee bit”..........

.......so I ask my wife what she and her quilting friends say, when they are off a bit…expecting something typically feminine and cute…......

She answers “Oh S…”

Yup.

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#9 posted 09-17-2011 05:28 PM

While I am quite familiar with the off-color phrase “CH”, it never seems appropriate when working at the church.

-- Rich, Cedar Rapids, IA - I'm a woodworker. I don't create beauty, I reveal it.

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#10 posted 09-17-2011 06:15 PM

Doc – “I have been known to use the word “fudge” for being just a little off”

I’ve also been known to use a term similar to ‘fudge’ for being more than just a little off… ;-)

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#11 posted 09-17-2011 06:28 PM

Smidge

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#12 posted 09-17-2011 06:28 PM

While I haven’t done much in the way of fine woodworking with other people, I have done a lot of rough framing and several wood floors and a tiny bit of trim work. Most of the time people use the ‘blade’ increments to describe small amounts. A ‘fat blade’ is usually about 1 1/2 blade widths and a ‘skinny blade’ being about half a blade. In rough framing I would say a ‘fat eighth’ would be the most common phrase I hear being told to cut. I have heard a lot of the things above including cutting the same board 3 times and it still being too short. Or cutting a 5 common 3 times and it still ending up a 5 hip.

The same could be said about angles when trying to match new work up to existing walls, roofs, and ceilings. Whether it is rafters or molding, sometimes the angles don’t add up to a perfect 90 degrees. For instance if you have a miter that has a gap at the ‘point’ someone might say to take a blade off the ‘heel’. Or they might put a mark on the board and hand it to you saying to cut it ‘from here to nothing’ which means cutting off at the mark and ending the cut at the existing angle across the board. This can also apply to bevels.

I think the important part is understanding each other no matter what you call your measurements. As long as you can convey angles, bevels, and lengths to each other to get the cut right then that’s a good system for you. I have ended up working along side different crews and they all tend to have different ways of saying things. If you don’t understand someone’s system you may have to pose the question a few different ways before you get an answer you understand. Being a cutman for a framing crew I find it absolutely critical to look at what someone is trying to do before cutting. Many times I can get pieces lined up on the workbench or sift through cut offs to make the most of our materials. Another trick I use is to cut a bunch of shims out of a scrap block and keep them in my tool pouch. If someone is working out of view of the work bench I will give them the shims to write on and make lists of block sizes or draw plywood cuts they need.

If all else fails you can make it fit by beating it into submission!

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#13 posted 09-17-2011 08:39 PM

When I use to hang dry wall you you refered to measureing things in terms of 1/8, so if you said 17&6 you where talking about cutting a piece 17 3/4”. If you wanted a piece 17 13/16”, you would say 17&6 heavy. If you wanted a piece 17 11/16” you would say 17&6 light. CH’s weren’t addressed until after work.

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#14 posted 09-17-2011 11:40 PM

my term is usually a ‘nat’s knacker’, which can be either to long or to short…..when fitting a piece i ‘niggle it in’,one of the guys i work with says ‘a fleas foreskin’ or ‘within a fleas’ if we are using the bubble stick for checking our levels. have also been known to ask for a measurement and then term it full..eg 367mm full which means ever so slighty oversize so you have something to ‘niggle’ with. these terms are kiwi orgin but it interesting to hear what you guys up top say when things aren’t quite going as they should…great post rich

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#15 posted 09-18-2011 03:47 AM

Thanks to all for your participation in this discussion. I was hoping from some input from foreign shores and cloakie1 came through. I must admit that “a fleas foreskin” is an expression I had not heard before and it is one I will not forget.

-- Rich, Cedar Rapids, IA - I'm a woodworker. I don't create beauty, I reveal it.

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