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Forum topic by maljr1980 posted 09-14-2011 05:42 AM 5376 views 0 times favorited 23 replies Add to Favorites Watch
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maljr1980

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09-14-2011 05:42 AM

anyone know anything about a line of planes made in india carried by traditional woodworker, called rider? they only have some block planes and some shouder planes, prices are middle of the road.


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WayneC

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#1 posted 09-14-2011 06:04 AM

Hmmm. The main question would be why not get some pre-WW2 Stanleys. Probably cheaper and better quality.

Do you have a link for them?

-- We must guard our enthusiasm as we would our life - James Krenov

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maljr1980

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#2 posted 09-14-2011 06:12 AM

http://www.traditionalwoodworker.com/Planes-Made-in-India/products/834/
i dont really know what to look for in a plane on ebay, and what is in to bad of a shape, ive been looking at possibly the woodriver planes or stanley sweethearts, or just biting the bullet and getting a ln or lv, but my wallet says otherwise

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WayneC

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#3 posted 09-14-2011 06:22 AM

I’m luke warm to indian planes from a quality perspective. The shoulder planes look like stanley knock offs and the block planes look to be LN knock-offs.

Are there flea markets and antique stores where you live? You may want to walk through a few to see what is available. Are you aware of where to go to get info on planes?

Also, what are you building?

-- We must guard our enthusiasm as we would our life - James Krenov

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tom427cid

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#4 posted 09-14-2011 07:30 AM

Keep track of local auctions,they generally(at least around here) will hav misc planes that will clean up nicely.
tom

-- "certified sawdust maker"

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tirebob

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#5 posted 09-14-2011 06:19 PM

I wouldn’t… Look at the casting quality of their Router plane. Around the open area above the bade you can see sharp edges etc. If they can’t even get a clean one for a photo that is supposed to help sell their products, that doesn’t give one a lot of faith. A simple truth is good ain’t cheap and cheap ain’t good…

As others have said, if you are trying to avoid spending the price needed to buy new quality tools, look for good vintage options. You will get a better product than cheaply made modern options., that being said, even a new premium LV Apron Plane is only a $20.00 more than these cheaper offerings…

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tom427cid

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#6 posted 09-14-2011 06:45 PM

I don’t think that the casting flash would bother me as much as the quality,or lack of,of the cutter. The other item of concern(to me) is how the cutter is adjusted. I prefer cutters that have some sort of mechanical means of adjustment.
And to address the concerns of someone who is new and wants to spend their money wisely-sometimes you have to make a mistake to learn the lesson. I will be the first to admit that when I started I bought some tools that I shouldn’t have,I look at them like orphans—there is somebody out there who will love them.Until then I will give them a good home.
tom

-- "certified sawdust maker"

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WayneC

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#7 posted 09-14-2011 06:52 PM

Compare the router plane with a Stanley Original. This one is a fine collector example, so the the price is higher than you would see for one at a flea market or in an Antique store. I normally see them in the $20-$25 range.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-Stanley-No-271-Router-Plane-W-Orig-Box-Nice-No-Reserve-/110741505692?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item19c8b5469c

-- We must guard our enthusiasm as we would our life - James Krenov

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WayneC

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#8 posted 09-14-2011 07:05 PM

Also, you can often find good old Stanley #60 1/2 planes for around $10. If you spend a little time getting to recogonize quality older versions, you can end up with a real nice plane.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Stanley-No-60-1-2-Low-Angle-block-Plane-early-better-made-type-no-reserve-/320757515893?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4aaea34675

Another good plane is the Stanley #65. I got this one in an antique store for $25.

With Lie-Nielsen Plane

The standard angle equivalents are the #9 1/2 and the #18…

-- We must guard our enthusiasm as we would our life - James Krenov

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Don W

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#9 posted 09-14-2011 08:30 PM

What type of planes are you looking for? I agree with Wayne. Start watching on ebay to see what the pricing is. I tend to get more of my finds in the wild, but deals can be found on ebay. If you go over to Hand Planes of your Dreams we often question each other on pricing of different types. Wayne, myself and a few other just had a conversation about a #62 I was looking at at an antique shop. Look, ask and buy, you can’t go wrong.

-- Master hand plane hoarder. - http://timetestedtools.net

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WayneC

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#10 posted 09-14-2011 08:43 PM

Also, I addressed the block planes and router plane on the web page. I would also say that the shoulder plane is the type of plane that I would be most worried about tight tollerences in the machining. If I was doing a bunch of joint work I would spend the money on a Veritas shoulder plane and be done with it.

http://www.leevalley.com/US/wood/page.aspx?p=48430&cat=1,41182,48945

If money was tight, I would get a hock blade or kit and make my own.

http://hocktools.com/Kits.htm#KS

-- We must guard our enthusiasm as we would our life - James Krenov

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Don W

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#11 posted 09-14-2011 08:49 PM

I’d probably make my own either way, but then I tend to be under the assumption if you need a plane, you will need more than one. Look at my projects, for every woodworking projects there are 3 plane projects.(maybe more)

-- Master hand plane hoarder. - http://timetestedtools.net

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#12 posted 09-14-2011 10:32 PM

Just a general guideline for me, but if it’s made in India and I have any questions about the quality, I don’t buy it. Tools are one of those areas where you can buy quality and maybe cry once or you can by cheap and cry over and over again.

My own personal suggestion is to buy an old Stanley off of eBay. So long as it’s complete, it’ll serve the purpose here. Once you have it, restore it lovingly back to useable condition (assuming, of course, that it’s not useable when you buy it). Even if it’s still crap that was rusted because it was only good to use as a boat anchor, you still no how to restore these old tools.

Another option is to search for antique tool websites and look for “user” planes. These often don’t really need restoration for use, but aren’t collectible and therefore less expensive.

-- "Give me your poor tools, your tired steel, your huddled masses of rust." Yep, I ripped off the Statue of Liberty. That's how I roll!

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Bertha

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#13 posted 09-14-2011 10:35 PM

There’s really no way around paying for a quality shoulder plane. They generally get what they’re worth. Aside from that, though, wonderful US made vintage planes can be had for very little monies. They have more charm, too. That poorly cast and painted router plane above would quickly become more trouble than its worth. $30 can buy you a block plane that you’ll use until you’re gone.

-- My dad and I built a 65 chev pick up.I killed trannys in that thing for some reason-Hog

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wingate_52

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#14 posted 09-14-2011 11:07 PM

I have seen and handled some Rider planes at Axminster Power tools in the UK. I was not impressed with the quality or feel. I have a mix of old Stanley and Record planes with the exception of a modern Chinese Quangsheng 62. It is really nice, well made and finished. I have reconditioned all my planes with new handles and totes, some new blades and chipbreakers. They get used.

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maljr1980

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#15 posted 09-14-2011 11:15 PM

they will be used at work, but not used heavily, currently i have a stanley block plane and buck brothers mini bock blane, but would like some nicer tools. are the new stanley sweetheart or woodriver planes good choices? do people recomend vintage tools because if you have to fettle the plane you may as well save money, or will an old fettled stanley out perform a new sweetheart or woodriver plane that has been fettled as well

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