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Madmark2

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12-05-2018 05:31 AM

Topic tags/keywords: stapler brad nailer air nailer air stapler jatoba tip joining traditional brazilian cherry epic fail

I see posts here all the time asking “what brad nailer / stapler to buy?” Here is a little known fact: brad nailers / staplers only work on softwoods and soft hardwoods (oak, walnut, cherry etc.)

In my shop we use a lot of jatoba ( AKA Brazilian Cherry ) and air nailers/staplers are useless against a HARD hardwood. Here are some pictures of a jatoba test board vs a brand new P-C stapler @ 120 PSI …

Notice that no staple drove more than 1/8” into the board – not much holding power there.

Here’s a close up of the staple:

This staple was the first we drove and the tool kicked back hard. Holding the tool hard just produced lots of M staples.

On this same board you can also see a stainless steel 1/4-20 machine screw threaded about 3/8” into the tapped and threaded jatoba. None have been able to break the threads even with a power screwdriver.

M


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#1 posted 12-05-2018 06:29 AM

You’ve posted this nonsense before. After one of your posts, I went to my shop and shot staples, 18 ga brads and even 23 ga pins into ipe without a hitch. Explain that to me.

-- Half of what we read or hear about finishing is right. We just don’t know which half! — Bob Flexner

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#2 posted 12-05-2018 08:21 AM

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-- Regards Rob

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#3 posted 12-05-2018 03:37 PM

Rich,

Just what part of the pictures is nonsense? Do you think these pics are fake? The stapler works fine on pine & cherry @ 120 PSI, but the pictures tell the jatoba story. Post pics of your ipe test board with a 1/2” staple driven flat if you can.

The nail shown was not driven, it was predrilled with the proper pilot hole and could only be driven in a short distance before stopping. When we tried to drive a 6p nail in with a hammer it didn’t penetrate more than 1/8” before bending.

M

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#4 posted 12-05-2018 03:41 PM

My only problem was due to inserting the wrong size, too small 1 size, jamming. :)

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#5 posted 12-05-2018 03:42 PM

So, is this a review for a PC stapler?
If so, what model are you using for your tests?

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#6 posted 12-05-2018 04:38 PM

Since it’s mostly used for flooring someone must be able to drive a staple into it.

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#7 posted 12-05-2018 05:03 PM


Just what part of the pictures is nonsense? Do you think these pics are fake? The stapler works fine on pine & cherry @ 120 PSI, but the pictures tell the jatoba story. Post pics of your ipe test board with a 1/2” staple driven flat if you can.

- Madmark2

Fiirst, 120 PSI is way too high. I’d go 90 max. Also, I didn’t say the photo was fake. I’m sure it’s real, but not representative of how a stapler should perform in any wood, hard or soft.

My issue is with this nonsense you opened your post with and that you’ve posted before:

I see posts here all the time asking “what brad nailer / stapler to buy?” Here is a little known fact: brad nailers / staplers only work on softwoods and soft hardwoods (oak, walnut, cherry etc.)

I proved you wrong back then by shooting staples, brads and pins into ipe. You didn’t respond to that and now you’re at it again.

Anyway, enough is enough. Here is a 9/16” T50 staple shot into honey mesquite at 60 PSI through a cheap Chinese SureBonder brand stapler. I think it proves your opening statement was nonsense and that maybe you’re doing something wrong or using a defective stapler. For the record, honey mesquite has a hardness of 2,340 Janka and your jatoba is 2,690. The ipe I used last time and had no problem shooting staples and pins into (which you said couldn’t be done) has a hardness of 3,510.

-- Half of what we read or hear about finishing is right. We just don’t know which half! — Bob Flexner

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Madmark2

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#8 posted 12-05-2018 05:12 PM

” For the record, honey mesquite has a hardness of 2,340 Janka and your jatoba is 2,690.”

Like I said, jatoba is ~15% harder than what you’re using … you prove nothing by successfully driving into a softer wood. Duh.

M

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#9 posted 12-05-2018 05:31 PM


Like I said, jatoba is ~15% harder than what you re using … you prove nothing by successfully driving into a softer wood. Duh.

- Madmark2

You can’t be serious…lol. Talk about clueless. What about the ipe at 3,510? Do I need to post a photo? And if I do, what lame excuse will you come up with for that one?

No, I’ve proven my point. You have no idea what you’re talking about and obviously don’t know how to use air tools since you’re using 120psi.

P.S. You never have explained why you post Madmark’s info about laser engravers as if it were your own when your name is Madmark2? Seems kind of shady.

-- Half of what we read or hear about finishing is right. We just don’t know which half! — Bob Flexner

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#10 posted 12-05-2018 05:33 PM

“MY daddy can whip your daddy” Come on guys, stop the nonsense and agree to disagree! This forum is to ask for or offer help. not have a political debate.

-- "PLUMBER'S BUTT! Get over it, everybody has one"

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#11 posted 12-05-2018 05:34 PM

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#12 posted 12-05-2018 05:47 PM


“MY daddy can whip your daddy” Come on guys, stop the nonsense and agree to disagree! This forum is to ask for or offer help. not have a political debate.

- Jack Lewis

Agreeing to disagree is about opinions, not facts, Jack. This is a fact. What is political about it anyway? Or related to daddy? You’re kind of out there on this one…lol

Besides, I am offering help — I’m helping less experienced LJs avoid being duped by foolish nonsense such as the OP is trying to spread.

-- Half of what we read or hear about finishing is right. We just don’t know which half! — Bob Flexner

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Madmark2

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#13 posted 12-05-2018 05:48 PM

So the staples are not driving because the air pressure is too high? Really? So if I turn the pressure down it will drive deeper ? How about if I disconnect the air entirely? By your logic that should drive
deepest of all?

Yes, post a pic of a staple driven flat in ipe at 60 PSI.

If I’m wrong then where did I get the pictures (facts). You’re saying that the pictures and results are not facts and that only one as smart as you can use an air stapler. Talk about using opinions as facts. Sheesh!

M

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Rich

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#14 posted 12-05-2018 05:52 PM


So the staples are not driving because the air pressure is too high? Really? So if I turn the pressure down it will drive deeper ? How about if I disconnect the air entirely? By your logic that should drive
deepest of all?

Yes, post a pic of a staple driven flat in ipe at 60 PSI.

If I m wrong then where did I get the pictures?

- Madmark2

Good grief. You just don’t get it. You don’t understand the mechanics of air pressure and you don’t seem to be able to understand that I never questioned your photo. I simply said that the claim in your opening sentence is nonsense and I proved it.

Here we go. Ipe at 70 PSI, 9/16” staple:

-- Half of what we read or hear about finishing is right. We just don’t know which half! — Bob Flexner

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Madmark2

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#15 posted 12-05-2018 06:03 PM

What is the “issue with air pressure”? Less is more? I’ve used nailers that start at 140 PSI. How can you declare I know nothing about air tools based on 120 PSI? Are you asserting that all staplers / nailers run best at 60 PSI? Who’s “clueless” about air tools?

Also, how thick is that ipe? If its not thicker than the staple then its not a fair trial. Do it on a piece of 3/4” jatoba or ipe and you win.
There is a big difference between thru and into

M

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