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DKV

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1051 days ago

Topic tags/keywords: question oak

knowledge and never giving any back but at my stage of woodworking expertise I am very challenged just to keep myself on track. That said, here is my question. I am refinishing my kitchen cabinets and am faced with the potential for quick fading since I have a large window (9’x5’) and a large skylight (8’x4’) in the kitchen. I have done a lot of internet research and here is my guessed at schedule for applying finish to the doors that I have sanded down to wood.
1. Apply Transtint dye in an alcohol solution.
2. Apply one coat of Varathane Premium Spar Urethane for strong UV protection
3. Finish with multiple coats of Minwax spray semi-gloss polyurethane.
I know from using this forum that there are a lot of finishing experts out there. Maybe one of you can help me. I promise that when I become an expert, if ever, I will attempt to help the less fortunate.
Thanks,
Don

-- 2014 will be a different year...at least for me it will.


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#1 posted 1051 days ago

lets see what we can do, first of all what is the wood,
second, even though trans tint is a metal complex dye, ( more fade resistence) , can we find a stain in the color you want ,stains are far more fade resistent, than dyes
have you bought the top coats,, we can do better if not,,

also a picture helps alot,,

never an issue helping a fellow woodworker,,

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#2 posted 1051 days ago

The success (or failure) of your project will depend on what kind of wood you’re working with; how it was originally stained and finished; what “touch ups”have been done over the years, and what’s been used to clean them during their lifetime.

Your dye isn’t going to work on your cabinets in the same manner it would work on raw wood. You’re also faced with how you plan to clean and prep the cabinets before you start applying the dye. I recommend experimenting on the inside of a door. Go thru your entire cleaning/prep plan; apply your dye and finishes and see if you like the results before you start on the visible parts.

-- Adversity doesn't build character...................it reveals it.

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DKV

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#3 posted 1051 days ago

Charles, thanks for replying. One of my constraints other than the bright kitchen is the set of rules set by the wife. She doesn’t like the strong look of grain that oak shows with stains. Trust me I have been through a LOT of “test boards” for the wife using both stain and dye. She would like a dark color that is a consistent color across the cabinet doors but with just a little grain showing through. She doesn’t want it to look painted. I have found that I can get the look she likes by using Transtint cordovan dye with Minwax spray semi-gloss poly. My biggest concern is everything fading and I’ll have to do it all again. I understand everything fades eventually but the longer the better.

-- 2014 will be a different year...at least for me it will.

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#4 posted 1051 days ago

Sawkerf, I have sanded everything down to wood. There is not any prior finish left on the cabinets. It took me quite a while to accomplish. In the process I have also learned how to make profile scrapers which helped a lot. I used a chemical remover, scrapers and then a lot of sanding to get all of the old finish out of the little nooks and crannies. I can say that I am closely approaching expert when it comes to taking cabinet doors and frames down to bare wood.

-- 2014 will be a different year...at least for me it will.

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#5 posted 1051 days ago

If your cabs are typical tract home cabs, the carcasses are probably veneered plywood. If you’ve avoided any sand thrus on them, you’re way ahead of most of us – or you really haven’t sanded down to wood.

Doors and drawer fronts are usually solid wood and are much easier to handle.

If you think that you’re ready, give your plan a try in an unobtrusive place. If you like what you get, go for it. If you (or she) don’t like it, go for Plan B. – lol

-- Adversity doesn't build character...................it reveals it.

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#6 posted 1051 days ago

Don…Charles is the man to stay in contact with. He knows alot, I mean alot, of tips and tricks. PM him with ?’s.

It’s seems to me you may need to go with a tinted topcoat to get the look your wife is looking for. Do you have spray equipment and how experienced are you at spraying?

-- Gary; Marysville, MI...Involve your children in your projects as much as possible, the return is priceless.

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#7 posted 1051 days ago

Don
you can apply almost any finish over a previous finish if you use a coat of wax free shellac first , and you can even add a tint to it to help accomplish the color you want. Sorry you did all that sanding and striping . I f you need help e mail Charles Neil he’s a finishing expert and he will answer you question. his advise you can take to the bank. He has some great videos on finishing and wood working too.

charles@charlesneilwoodworking.com

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DKV

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#8 posted 1051 days ago

Gary and Jim,
Thanks for the information. I had thought of letting contractors do the refinishing and/or refacing. When we had refacers out here to bid on the work one of them stated that I should not reface but refinish since my solid oak cabinet doors were better than the ones I would probably get with refacing. As Sawkerf stated they would probably be plywood with veneer. Since I’m retired I decided to do it myself. I am into woodworking and have a pretty good workshop. However, I have never taken on a big refinishing job and felt it was probably about time to learn. It will benefit me going forward. Sanding all those doors builds character. Anyway I will get in touch with Charles.
Thanks again…

-- 2014 will be a different year...at least for me it will.

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