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11-18-2018 01:41 PM

I saw this chisel set on craigslist and I am looking for a good set for dovetailing. Does anyone know anything about these chisels? This guy wants $2200 for this set and I was hoping to learn something.

https://newyork.craigslist.org/lgi/tls/d/japanese-chisel-set-of-10-for/6746907907.html

Thanks everyone,


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#1 posted 11-18-2018 03:16 PM

He couldn’t sell them for 300 less a month ago….

https://picclick.com/Japanese-Chisel-Set-of-10-for-Woodworking-made-183475467757.html

I don’t know enough about Japanese chisels to know if a good deal or not. I looked at sets at Japan Woodworker and another couple sites a few years ago and wondered what they would be like but simply couldn’t justify the price based on the time I spend doing chisel work (now once the kids get out of the house will take another look).

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#2 posted 11-18-2018 03:24 PM

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#3 posted 11-18-2018 04:00 PM

I think it’s better to buy one maybe two chisels in the size you would use. See how you like them then if they are great then go after more.
This is how I made up my set of Tasai chisels for dovetailing.

-- Aj

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#4 posted 11-18-2018 04:26 PM

Thanks for the information. This is clearly not some great deal though, if it were half this price? Then maybe would it be a good deal?

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#5 posted 11-18-2018 04:39 PM

Thanks for the information. This is clearly not some great deal though, if it were half this price? Then maybe would it be a good deal?

I don’t think so.

Better deals:
https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_nkw=japanese+chisel+set&_sop=15

I bought this set when it was 100.00 and it has served me well:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Japanese-Wood-Chisel-Set-Woodworking/292506002586?epid=1463365009&hash=item441ab7649a:g:KugAAOSwb6Fav84c:rk:188:pf:0

Aj2 has some great advice.

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#6 posted 11-18-2018 04:53 PM

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#7 posted 11-18-2018 04:54 PM

Note that these chisels are hollow-ground on the underside a fraction of an inch from the cutting edge. What happens when your sharpening process reaches that? You can no longer have a straight edge!

-- Phil Allin - Ventura, CA

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#8 posted 11-18-2018 05:08 PM

For some strange reason they never do? Not a hollow grind, natural concave in the metal from heat treating, have had a few Japanese chisels for years and although not used everyday and very little honing to keep them sharp the space from the edge to the concave never disappears? Have seen chisels that have been used for decades and back space still there!
My concern would more likely be, are they actually real or knock offs? Lee Valley sells some very nice Dovetail only Chisels that are very reasonable priced and for myself work great!

-- Lifting one end of the plank.

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#9 posted 11-18-2018 05:51 PM


Note that these chisels are hollow-ground on the underside a fraction of an inch from the cutting edge. What happens when your sharpening process reaches that? You can no longer have a straight edge!

The hard steel is thicker then the hollow. So when the flat edge disappears you go back to the stone and make the hollow disappear the flat comes back.
This is how I handle my chisels some of my edges are very close to the hollow. It’s quite the commitment so not for everyone.
If anyone wants to see my set let me know and I’ll post them.

-- Aj

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#10 posted 11-18-2018 06:06 PM



For some strange reason they never do? Not a hollow grind, natural concave in the metal from heat treating, have had a few Japanese chisels for years and although not used everyday and very little honing to keep them sharp the space from the edge to the concave never disappears? Have seen chisels that have been used for decades and back space still there!
My concern would more likely be, are they actually real or knock offs? Lee Valley sells some very nice Dovetail only Chisels that are very reasonable priced and for myself work great!

- Andre

I don’t think they are knockoffs. They belonged to the seller’s father who was an excellent craftsman, and butcher. I am also a butcher, we have a lot in common so we are going to meet up. I was thinking of counter offering, but I do not know what would be a good price for these.

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#11 posted 11-18-2018 06:11 PM

No need to get a set, especially if you’re buying them for dovetails. The 1/2, 3/8 and 1/4” chisels will get 99% of the work in dovetailing. Also, consider why you’d buy a >$1000 set of chisels; if it is because they look cool and it is a very unique set of tools to own, go for it, makes sense to me. If it is because you think that they’ll stay sharp longer or have some other special property, you probably are going to be disappointed. Every year for a few years I’d buy myself an expensive ($200+) Japanese chisel on my birthday. They are all hand made by various craftsmen in Japan. They look amazing, but honestly, I think my Veritas PMV-11 chisels are better for edge retention and sharpness.

The other thing to consider is that there is a huge market for fake Japanese tools. I would only buy from a reputable dealer ie. NOT ebay; eg. http://www.hidatool.com/ http://japantool-iida.com/ Lee Valley, Japan Woodworker etc.

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#12 posted 11-18-2018 06:36 PM



For some strange reason they never do? Not a hollow grind, natural concave in the metal from heat treating, have had a few Japanese chisels for years and although not used everyday and very little honing to keep them sharp the space from the edge to the concave never disappears? Have seen chisels that have been used for decades and back space still there!
My concern would more likely be, are they actually real or knock offs? Lee Valley sells some very nice Dovetail only Chisels that are very reasonable priced and for myself work great!

- Andre

I have some I brought back from Japan this year. The hollow IS ground into the metal. There is no way this will disappear!

-- Phil Allin - Ventura, CA

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#13 posted 11-18-2018 07:29 PM

Well that’s unfortunate Phil I guess you’ll just throw them away when you reach the hollow. :(

-- Aj

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#14 posted 11-19-2018 01:24 AM

I ended up winning this auction on eBay https://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-Steelcraft-deluxe-drop-forged-socket-butt-chisel-set-1-4-1-1-4/223228574150?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649

and I got this one so that I would have a 1/8 for getting in between tight dovetails. I might have paid too much for it. I am not really sure, it looks good though.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1-8-Socket-Chisel/302950713543?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649

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#15 posted 11-19-2018 01:38 AM



I have some I brought back from Japan this year. The hollow IS ground into the metal. There is no way this will disappear!

- Phil32

I’m sure the Japanese have had no idea what they were doing for many centuries…

Or, perhaps not
https://www.japanwoodworker.com/blog_entries/how-to-sharpen-japanese-chisels

-- Mos - Twin Cities, MN - http://www.youtube.com/MosquitoMods - http://www.TheModsquito.com

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