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How many #4 and #5 planes does one man need?

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#1 · (Edited by Moderator)
Hi all,

I inherited some woodworking equipment from my dad when he recently passed. I have 3 #5 planes and 2 #4 planes. Is there a reason why I shouldn't pick the best example of each of these for myself and just sell the others?

Thanks!
 
#2 ·
There probably is no good reason you shouldn't simply keep one example of each.

Others will tell you to keep mulitple versions and set them up differently-most often, the advice given is to make one of the jacks into a scrub plane.

There is something to be said for having two smoothers tuned and sharpened, so that there is no interruption caused by stopping to sharpen, but the same thing can be accomplished with a second iron.
 
#3 · (Edited by Moderator)
Funny you should ask… I actually have in my users/shop… Two 3s, five 4s, one 4 1/2, two 5 1/4s, three 5s, two 5 1/2… 6, two 7s, two 8s… To say nothing of the 39s, 40, 190, 192, 78, 62, 289, 45, 90, 92, 248, 112, 80, 81… And all get frequent use. The bench plane duplicates are each set differently…
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Seems like hand planes are like rabbits, first you get two, and the next time you go to the shop there are twenty…

Keep em all, you'll find it nice to not have to reset your only No 5 between roughing and finer work, or stopping to hone or change the iron on your only No 4.
Regards, the Kentucky Toolsmith!
 

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#4 ·
The reason I think multiples are a good idea is when you use very different types of wood. I use wood with normal grain and I use bizarro wood with bizarro grain. Repeatedly altering the bevel (even if it's just the secondary bevel) on a single blade is dumb to me. Having multiple blades is better than one blade, but then I will need to alter the plane slightly. But having, say, two planes is simply the easiest option so you don't have to fiddle with the setup. You see people with multiple power routers all the time, some people have two bandsaws, etc. There are valid reasons for having extras.

Turns out I use my 4 1/2 with a 55 degree frog on almost everything so I don't go back to my normal 4 very much, but there are some things that I cannot smooth with my normal 4, which is what I owned first. I needed a second smoother. I have a LA Jack and a regular jack that do two different jobs.

I say keep everything for a while and see how you use it. If you never use it, you could sell it. Or, since it's your dad's stuff maybe you'd want to keep it, just because.

There is no wrong answer about what to do.
 
#5 · (Edited by Moderator)
Thanks, everyone!

Edit: I'll probably set the #4s up differently and get rid of the other duplicates (with a bunch of other stuff). I've got lots of stuff from Dad in my shop (I kept a rabbet plane and brace from Dad, kept a block plane from Grandpa, I even have a double dado plane that's who-knows-how-old). I really appreciate the help!
 
#6 ·
+1 If you really are going to use hand planes, it helps to have a couple set up differently.
I have (3) #5's: (1) 30 degree, (1) 50 degree via back bevel, and (1) radius iron/large mouth used for scrub work.

+1 Find that I work on large enough panels that I use my 4-1/2 and 5-1/2 more than regular width planes, especially for straight grain planing with 30-35 degree bevel; this reduces need for a couple of narrower versions.

One last comment:
You are not going to get rich selling a couple of common #4/5 planes. Might do ok, if they they are early type 1-5 from 1860-1880 in great shape? But used #4 & #5 hand planes from 1900's sell really cheap. I can find neglected planes that need a tune up for less than $20 locally (garage sales for $5-10), and everyday users for less than $35.

Cheers.
 
#10 ·
Keep all of your planes and get more. "He who dies with the most tools wins."
Plus they don't make decent old tools anymore. If you look on EBAY you will see that common Stanleys don't sell for very much so in the long run "its cheaper to keep her".
 
#11 ·
BTW, looks like Poopiekat is winning! Clearly, he and KYToolsmith are American Heroes. My current count is about 75 planes and 90 chisels but I rehab them and resell them so lots of classic iron has passed through my shop. I am currently on an exhaustive search for a 5 1/4 c. Needle in a haystack!
 
#15 ·
+1 Per Smirik - one more would be OK ….......

+1 Poopiekat and KYToolsmith are American hand plane heroes
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@corelz135 - 8 number 8?
Whoa.

+1 I almost never find #8 in wild for sale.
Always in hands of collector or over priced antique store,
and never see one cheap enough to pick up as spare.

Love them, have two:
- type 16 #8 with grooved bottom I use for large panels.
- type 6a Bedrock 608 flat bottom I use for jointer work.
Only reason for 2nd boat anchor is I needed a 608 to finish my collection of Bedrock planes. :)
 

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#16 ·
Oh…do non users count? guess I didn't mention the planes I have in the house… Planes so old & in such good condition or so rare that I don't dare use them. A full set of Stanley bench planes, 1 through 8, (including a 5 1/4C), scarce Stanley edge rebate and other specialty planes, and a full set of nineteen No. 4s as examples of the Stanley Plane type study.
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Over the years I picked these up for comparison showing the changes from the original Stanley made Bailey design of 1867 to the last changes in 1967.

Is that enough planes?
Regards, the Kentucky Toolsmith!
 

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#19 ·
Repeatedly altering the bevel (even if it s just the secondary bevel) on a single blade is dumb to me. Having multiple blades is better than one blade, but then I will need to alter the plane slightly. But having, say, two planes is simply the easiest option so you don t have to fiddle with the setup.

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Totally agree with this as the speculative reason why he had all of those planes.
 
#22 ·
"NEED…..???" A. I agree with the above answer that you "need' whatever you have plus another one. And B. Good grief, those planes belonged to your FATHER. For that reason alone, they should a place in the shop. I have tools that belonged to both grandfathers and my father. They all see use in the shop and will never leave. (Except my great-great Uncle's wooden trying plane which is well over a century old) If nothing else, hold on to them until you kids are old enough to appreciate Grandpa's planes. Even if they don't use them they are mementos of your father.
 
#23 ·
I agree with the N+1. Slight camber, no camber, little more camber, lots of camber, testing a back bevel, more of a back bevel, etc, etc.

And maybe a couple that do not work to well but just look cool.
 
#24 ·
KYToolsmith,
I have had a 5 1/4c on my wishlist for years for no other reason than "I want one". So yeah I'm pretty jealous.
I too have just about a full set of Stanleys. I'm a big fan. I'm missing a #2, #1, and the box plane #57. I've been rehabbing old tools for years. I started as soon as I learned how to sharpen properly.
I got a mint condition #55 in a wooden box for free with a swap for some carpentry work and a sweetheart #45 a little later. I still haven't found a good use for either milling planes that I can't do easier with my routers or shaper.
One of my favorites is a #113 which is really cool for cutting convex and concave surfaces. If the power goes out, I can still do a lot of work in my shop by candle light.

Still nothing cuts better or straighter than my #8c on the edge of a plank before glue up.
 
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