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Forum topic by Rob_s posted 11-04-2018 10:31 AM 527 views 0 times favorited 8 replies Add to Favorites Watch
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#1 posted 11-10-2018 07:22 AM

Not sure how to answer your question?

The links you have are on several different tools, so you are comparing apples to donuts in a few cases. DeWally probably more than most has several different layers of tools, so I wouldn’t be surprised if even though they all seem to say FLexvolt, you are still only getting apples to cherries.

Not sure if you just noted this, or if you were trying to figure out where to jump in on buying brand new, and not sure where to start. If it’s the latter of the two, then I would suggest either Bosch, or Milwaukee.

Plus with the weight and size difference between 12v and 18v I simply can’t fathom the weight and clumsy difference a 60v battery would carry with it. Pretty soon you will need a 2 wheel dolly to move them around. Of course I am an old guy, so my weightlifting years are past.

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#2 posted 11-13-2018 12:27 AM

The brushless tools are more expensive! More torque with brushless .
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#3 posted 11-13-2018 04:24 AM

All I know too the brushless are more powerful with good edge in performance.

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#4 posted 11-13-2018 02:59 PM

The links are to, as near as I can tell, otherwise identical tools in the 20v and 60v varieties, and in every case the 60v are less expensive.

Brushless 60v grinder is less expensive than brushless 20v grinder
Brushless 60v circ saw is less expensive than brushless 20v circ saw
brushless 60v recip saw is less expensive than brushless 20v recip saw

If they are apples to donuts, I’m not sure I follow how. Which is maybe my question? How is comparing two grinders to one another, two circ saws to one another, and two recip saws to one another “apples to donuts”?

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#5 posted 11-13-2018 05:10 PM

Rob_S have 3 different types of tools in your list.
The basic 20v platform, the XR platform and the 60v flex-volt platform.
20v is a homeowner, or hobbyist grade tool.
The XR is the professional grade and are what I use as they have a wide range of tools for the battery platform. (I am not saying they are the best, just that these are what i went with and am very happy with.) Brushless motors for more power and better life. Also they are supposed to be more durable as they are designed for job-site conditions.
The flex-volt stuff is supposed to be professional grade with larger batteries giving more power behind the the tool. Flex-volt is supposed to give you a corded power in a battery powered tool. If i need something that big I grab my corded tool so i have 0 personal experience with them.

eddited to add that Dewalt is releasing the XR series 20v barrel grip jigsaw in Dec. They are really investing heavily into this platform with the range of tools by listening to what customers want. Milwaukee may be the only ones that have close too or more options available compared to Dewalt. Quality wise I think its comes down to personal preference of what color you like.

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#6 posted 11-13-2018 05:45 PM

Couple of comments FWIW:

1) The 60v battery is nothing more (3) 20V battery modules in series. The connection wiring for the 20v/60v ‘flex’ packs allows a tool to have either (1) 60v X ampere battery, or (1) 20v 3X ampere battery. This makes the 60V packs larger and heavier, but a 20v tool using the flex pack gets a longer life. For a portable tool, this extra size/weight is pain unless you need the longer life or higher voltage. Using the 20v tools you can achieve the similar long life by using a similar sized 20v 6ah MAX battery pack.

2) The 60V power tool listed above all indeed the OLD Dewalt tool designs. Some of them are even carry over from 18V XRP tools. Have only looked at a couple of 60V tools in person, but they appeared to me to be nothing more than a new battery engagement port, one that supports the 60V pack. I remember reading that many of the 1st release 60V tools were really only 20V tools inside, that gave longer use on 60V/20V flex battery. This was done to provide tool alternatives for folks who invested in the 60V flex battery for miter saws, and to remove need for more than one pack type on job site.

3) From a theoretical aspect: a 60v motor requires smaller wire than 20v motor of same HP. This copper weight reduction could be responsible for slight price reduction, assuming the tools are actually using 60v.

Purely speculation:
The older tools designs are likely cheaper for Dewalt to produce, and if Dewalt is preparing for 2019 model change in 60v XRP tools, current pricing differences may be intended to clean out warehouses during holiday season?
or
The 60v batteries are more expensive than 20v. The lower price could be extra incentive for people to switch to 60v bare tools?
or
There are a number of online sellers that buy combo packs, and then sell bare tools separately. During holiday season, this practice is rampant on fleabay and CL, due lower sale prices of combo packs. The combo packs often have each tool in separate box, which makes it really easy to sell tool only from combo packs. Last year, some of the holiday special purchase combo’s do not have individual boxes. Regardless, then all come with individual manuals and warranty cards, which makes it hard to know if you are getting tools from a combo pack or tool intended to be sold individually as bare tool. This makes price comparison extra hard.
or
Dewalt recently released very large 9ah and 12ah 60v battery packs. While these have distinct cool factor, I find their use problematic. There is absolutely no way I want to be person lugging around a 60v 12ah pack on hand grinder/recip saw on a job. Maybe Dewalt has realized that massive 60v battery on small tool is silly and is trying to invigorate slow sales with lower pricing? Another ‘secret marketing’ trick in action.

YMMV

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#7 posted 11-14-2018 02:28 PM

Thanks guys. Appreciate the help.

I think the older design issue explains the cost difference.

I am currently invested in Milwaukee but I’m looking at a few Dewalt tools as I think they better serve the woodworker market, and offer some tools (or are about to) that Milwaukee doesn’t.

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#8 posted 11-14-2018 05:55 PM

i received the dewalt combo kit last christmas with dcd 20 volt hammer drill and standard steel chuck 3/8 drill. last month hammer drill went dead. no light and wouldn’t turn on. had no receipt. called dewalt, they sent me a return ups label. sent it in and within 10 days they sent me a brand new drill. lady at coustmer service only asked for build date on drill didn’t care about receipt. very happy with their service.

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