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Forum topic by Chipy posted 08-23-2011 06:07 PM 1410 views 0 times favorited 7 replies Add to Favorites Watch
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Chipy

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08-23-2011 06:07 PM

Recently I posted a topic in the power tools, hardware and accessories section; Festool or Fesfool.Looking back on my choice of title I think I may have offended Festool owners right out of the gate which was never my intention. The title can sound rather insulting. Trying to come up with cleaver title and stimulate debate I over step my bounds and the title became more important than the subject matter at hand which is never good in a debate with any substance. Sorry.
With that being said I don’t apologies for the posts content. I was trying to understand why Festool is so much more expensive than say Dewalt or Porter Cable. Most of the responses not all were, “Well their high quality tools”. That argument just isn’t enough to convince me. If you don’t want to convince me and participate in the debate then simply don’t respond I am not twisting anyone’s arm here. I find on Lumber Jocks what I call tool brand sensitivity and Country of origin sensitivity.”Don’t make fun of my tool”,”Oh your buying a Grizzly you’re a bad American”! In a world economy and I hate that term but let’s face it,”the horse is out of the barn”. I challenge any lumber Jock to start turning over their own tools to look at the labels and I think you’re going to find MADE IN CHINA on more than a few. Sure I would love to buy American but what does that mean anymore? When a Honda is built in OHIO and your HARLEY has parts from Mexico where do we draw the line on what to be loyal to and what not .We as consumers have some blame is this foreign or domestic issue. We want dirt cheap prices and quality at the same time and I don’t think they walk hand and hand all the time. I usually am a “give me the Cadillac type of guy “but in this economy these days companies have us over a barrel. I am in the market for a new table saw and Band saw and I have shorted out both the laptop and the keyboard on my PC drooling at Delta Uni saw adds. But for the price of the Delta saw I can buy a Grizzly 17” band saw and their 3hp Table saw(50” fence),36” roller out feed table, mobile bases both machines, so what would you do? You Delta saw owners are bared form answering the last question, just kidding! So in closing I just might like Festool I don’t know? But if we make it off limits debating tool quality,cost,features because we might hurt someone’s feelings we are doing a disservice to each other and the tool companies will be the winners not us!Chipy AKA Scott


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Bertha

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#1 posted 08-23-2011 06:31 PM

It’s funny, I never quite understood the offense taken by Festool pricing. They’re certainly quality tools and have managed to carve out a high price that is paid by those who deisre them. There are plenty of quality things that I skip over due to excessive price. It never occurred to me to be offended by it. I own a few Festools and they’re quite nice. I’m not rushing out to complete a collection, nor did I buy them to impress anyone. I guess I’m just not that impressed about them to care one way or another.

It never dawned on me that someone would be offended by your post. Start a Rolex watches are overpriced and anyone that owns one is a fool thread. You might get the same result. I have a Rolex and it tells terrible time. :) I have a Festool sander and it sands stuff real good like.

-- My dad and I built a 65 chev pick up.I killed trannys in that thing for some reason-Hog

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RONFINCH

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#2 posted 08-23-2011 08:14 PM

Like Al, I don’t take offense to Festools pricing or their loyal followers. I don’t own any because I can get the job done with less expensive tools. Made in the USA??? Not much is any more….... My tools are what I can afford and what I think is decent quality. I own a PM2000 table saw, a Jet bandsaw, a Craftsman band saw, a Jet 22-44 Oscillating sander, a Craftsman disc/belt sander, a Harbor Frieght 12” disc sander, a Hitachi miter saw, several different drills and sanders, a Dewalt planer, a Craftsman jointer…... so you see, I’m not brand loyal. Would I like to own Festool tools, yeah, probably….would I pay that much to own one? Probably not, but I’m not going to hold it against someone who does…...

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Tedstor

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#3 posted 08-23-2011 08:29 PM

Well Chipy, you have to hand it to Festool marketing…... The high price points certainly get people talking about their products. LOL>

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Kent Shepherd

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#4 posted 08-24-2011 12:44 AM

The problem with any thread on Festool is they typically become personal and somewhat derrogatory.
I chose not to respond to your other post for that reason. I find myself getting defensive even while I see the points both sides are making. I get tired of reading what proud snobs Festool owners are. Quality tools are very important to me, but I own many other brands besides Festool. Do I think they are worth it—-yes, for the most part. If I were rich, maybe I would have all Festool, but not necessarily. For tools you use infrequently, maybe they are over-kill (although still a joy to use) I personally don’t think it even matters if you are a pro or a hobbyist. I actually use my Festool in my home shop, not my production door shop. To be honest, my guys don’t respect tools enough to furnish Festool for them to abuse.

Almost daily I read how woodworkers are against “cheap Cihinese stuff” Of course just as many are slamming Festtol. Wow, wouldn’t you love to be a tool manufacturer these days. If only you could make German quality for Chinese prices. Sorry guys—-It isn’t going to happen, so pick your own price range and your own quality standard and make the best comprimise you can under the circumstances.

As far as convincing you to buy Festool, that is hard if not impossible to do in a few paragraphs. If it is not worth it to you that’s basically all that matters. My recomendation is—go to a Festool dealer. They have demos (who else requires that of there dealers?) Look at it, pick it up, even use it. That’s the only way anyone will be convinced. My response on this thread won’t make a lot of difference whether you or anyone else considers their product. Most people however, don’t stop at one Festool purchase though. There is a reason for that. The tools operate more smoothly than most tools on the market. The dust collection on their sanders is unequaled (except maybe for Fein—another high priced, high quality German company). That is of course if you use their dust collectors. They run quieter too. The features and accuracy are superior to any other brand I have ever used, and that is a lot in over 45 years.

If you are a Cadillac kind of guy, I’m sure you would like Festool. You made good points though about the other tools you could buy with all that money. Good point. I happen to be at a place in my life that I have long since got all the basics. Now I can focus on quality, not quantity.

-- http://shepherdtoolandsupply.com/

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Bigrock

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#5 posted 08-24-2011 01:15 AM

I do not own any Festools yet. I have used there router, which one I don’t know, and thought it was very noisy, cumbersome and slow to cut White Oak. I also did not like the switch. I also have used the D handle cordless drill. This was the older model. It had no power. I all but bought one, but after that use, the answer was No.
As far as a table saw you are between a rock and a hard place. My choise would be between the Saw Stop and The Made in America Delta Uni Saw. Which has the same problem as you do. It would be at least a 3 Hp. unit. I know this does not help you. For me it would be one of these saws and I would wait until later for the Band from Grizzly. There tools are a lot than they were ten years ago. A short vacation to one of there stores may help you make a good choice.

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yrob

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#6 posted 08-24-2011 01:18 AM

I am not offended by people who choose to buy highly priced festtool tools. Its their money and they have their own reasons for doing so. Personally, I think I can just replace my drill if it dies (its a de-walt) and can do that 2 or 3 times over for the price of a single Festool. My drill has been going strong for nearly a decade… Of course I am not a contractor and dont use my drill 10 hours a day.

-- Yves

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ellen35

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#7 posted 08-24-2011 01:22 AM

Who did you offend??? I hope we are all adults with thicker skin than that! ;-)

-- "Don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good." Voltaire

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