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SouthHollow

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08-22-2011 03:27 AM

Topic tags/keywords: question router bit

I’m very new to woodworking (been over 15 years since high-school wood shop) and I’m working on learning how to do rail and stile kitchen cabinet doors.

I just got a pair of rail/stile bits in, and it looks like one of them is off-kilter. (sorry about the focus)

taking it apart I see some extra paint on top of the bevel cutter:

I think I could probably fix it by sanding down the extra paint… but I’m not sure on the best way to do that, or what kind of paper to use…

Any advice?

Thank you.

-- Alex, Los Angeles


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#1 posted 08-22-2011 03:36 PM

I’d try a sharp razor blade to cut-off the extra paint level myself. If you can’t get it near level you may have to strip that top surface clean of paint.

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#2 posted 08-22-2011 03:42 PM

I think a razor and some 1000 grit sandpaper should get you in business. That’s pretty odd. I bet it’s cutting a wide groove with all that wobble! Good luck!

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#3 posted 08-22-2011 03:43 PM

Yes, I would actually clean both mating surfaced to get it perfectly flat.
MIKE

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SouthHollow

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#4 posted 08-22-2011 04:53 PM

Bertha, you’re definitely right that it’s cutting wide. (Wide enough to see daylight through it, which was my first clue that it wasn’t just my own lack of experience causing the problem.)

Greg, Bertha, thank you for the tip on the razor blade, that seems like a great idea.

Fingers crossed, I’ll see what is possible after work tonight when I can get back in the shop.

-- Alex, Los Angeles

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#5 posted 08-22-2011 05:24 PM

I would take those junk bits back and get a set from white side ( routerbits.com) JMHO…

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Bertha

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#6 posted 08-22-2011 06:14 PM

If you’re interested in new bits, I recently posted a question asking for rail/stile bit advice. I went with the MLCS set but from my research, the following are quite popular:
1) Amana
2) Freud Quadra
3) Eagle
4) MCLS
5) Whiteside
Good luck!

-- My dad and I built a 65 chev pick up.I killed trannys in that thing for some reason-Hog

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#7 posted 08-22-2011 07:34 PM

Hmm, could just be me, but if you push the first cutting flush with your table both pics will look the same…..

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#8 posted 08-22-2011 07:44 PM

Uh oh, EagleEye Ron is right! I missed it. In case you are too, In the second picture, the lower edge of the piece appears depressed below the table surface the exact same distance that your cut is off. If the cut is not appreciably widened like I mentioned above, I think you have a height problem; not a bit wobble problem.

Good Job, Ron!

These bits are finicky to set up. If there’s any flex in your workpiece or table, the bit height will wander. I ran into this problem when the guys here were helping me work out my failed gluejoint attempt. I ended up using featherboards on both sides of the cut, a properly dimensioned workpiece, the appropriate bit speed, and an even feed rate. I suspect these tips will help you too.

EagleEye award of the day goes to Ron Finch!

-- My dad and I built a 65 chev pick up.I killed trannys in that thing for some reason-Hog

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#9 posted 08-22-2011 09:51 PM

I’d also be interested in knowing what kind of bits they are….could be useful info to others if the sloppy paint is indicative of their other router bits.

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SouthHollow

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#10 posted 08-22-2011 10:55 PM

I wish it was as easy as pushing the work piece flush. The lack of flush is due to my photography skills, not to the actual piece. (There may be additional issues due to that in my cut piece, but there is definitely a wobble issues in the bit.)

Great idea on the celophane and shim materials, I’ll definitely try that.

I got the bits on ebay… I’m having a conversation with the seller, and I don’t want to bad-mouth anyone until I know for certain that A) It is actually their fault, and B) They refuse to take the necessary steps to fix the problem if it is their fault.

I knew I was taking a chance with cheap bits, but as i’m a beginner, that may be just a lesson learned… I can’t wait to get into the shop tonight to double-check the depression issue that Ron pointed out and also test a shimming idea based on CR1’s recommendations.

-- Alex, Los Angeles

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SouthHollow

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#11 posted 08-22-2011 10:56 PM

Bertha, thank you for the list. I’m curious, I’ve come across rockler as another source for bits, but they weren’t on your list… do folks have issues with them?

-- Alex, Los Angeles

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RONFINCH

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#12 posted 08-23-2011 12:26 AM

I have a set of those bits….. not the greatest, but suffice for my needs. They dull quickly and I will be replacing them with quality bits as soon as I figure out which ones I use the most.

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#13 posted 08-24-2011 05:07 AM

Wherein I learn an important lesson in not jumping to conclusions:

I tried two different shims, one note-pad paper, and one laminated paper to see the difference. Also paid a lot more attention to how I was handling the wood as I put it through the router….

I think that what I’m looking at is probably much less a wobble and much more the deflection that Ron saw.

So definitely points to the eagle eye Ron, and I’ve got lots to learn.

Thank you to everyone who responded…. I knew this would be a journey, and I’m so excited to finally be started down the path and finding this community is amazing.

-- Alex, Los Angeles

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