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bubbyboy

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08-19-2011 04:43 PM

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Hello all, I am currently in the process of preparing to build a jewerly chest for my daughter. She would like it to have a black finish which is popular on new contempoary furniture. My thought is since she wants it black , would be to build it from popular. I do not want to spray paint it as I am sure there is a better way to apply a more permanent finish. The finish on some existing furniture she has is what appears to be satin black. Any information that could be provided would be greatly appreciated. If spray paint is the right process then I guess that is what I would do. If there is a better wood to use, I am open to any and all suggestions. Thanks in advance for your help.
Ron

-- I just don't understand. I have cut it 3 times and it is still to short.


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sarahss

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#1 posted 08-19-2011 04:57 PM

one option would be black lacquer topped with clear satin lacquer. or you could use a black water based dye (wet the wood and rasie the grain first—then sand it to remove the raised grain)—if that’s not dark enough, you can coat it with a coat dark colored gel stain on top of the dye and then whatever final finish you want

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#2 posted 08-19-2011 05:06 PM

Sarahss, Is it better to spray a finish like the black lacquer, or black dye, or do you have better control using a wipe on process. The chest will be appx. 20 inches wide by 42 inches tall. I appreciate your advice as this is the first time I have ever attempted to do a black finish. I did spray paint a dresser for my granddaughter, black and was not very impressed with the results.

-- I just don't understand. I have cut it 3 times and it is still to short.

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#3 posted 08-19-2011 05:32 PM

I was shown (by a professional furniture finisher) to do the dye by wiping it on and trying to get an even coat, but was told that it could be sprayed. The lacquer can be sprayed. He actually sprayed 2-3 coats of black lacquer, scuffed the final coat with 400 grit paper, then 2-3 coats of gloss lacquer (he used a pressure pot, but said that you could use the spray can stuff) , then scuffed the gloss coat with 400 grit paper and final coated with 2-3 coats satin and rubbed the final coat with believe it or not a paper bag.

for the water based dye, he dyed with a sponge brush—trying to be sure to get an even coat and let that dry, sealed with a very light coat of clear lacquer and then wiped on a coat of a dark color gel stain then sealed that with a light coat of lacquer and then several coats of gloss followed by several coats of satin as above. if you do this route, let the gel stain dry about 1 hour before applying lacquer—he said that if you wait too long to apply the lacquer, the gel may act funny under the lacquer, but if you do it within 1-2 hours, it is usually ok. NOTE: if you spray the water base dye, wipe the surface with a rag to even it out

try some test pieces and let us know what you think. hope this helps

he did stress the importance of testing on scrap pieces of the project that are sanded exactly as your project.
this is alot of steps, but that’s what he does and really gets a beautiful finiish.

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sarahss

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#4 posted 08-19-2011 06:43 PM

correction—let the gel stain dry overnight before lacquer—I think I was thinking about glaze, which he said you need to go ahead and seal.—i’ll try to find my notes and double check them.

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#5 posted 08-19-2011 10:09 PM

Poplar is a great wood for going black and using a dye would really make it dark. But if you are looking for just a solid color finish, I would go black lacquer. Of course spraying with HVLP I could apply the dye and clear lacquer or black lacquer with clear top coats. Always practice on a scrap piece before you work on the project!

-- Sam Hamory - The project is never finished until its "finished"!

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Les

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#6 posted 08-19-2011 10:30 PM

Check out this link.
http://www.targetcoatings.com/shop/catalog/EMTECH_EM6600_WB_Black_Lacquer-36-1.html

I think it should do what you want.

Les

-- Stay busy....Stay young

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#7 posted 08-22-2011 04:01 PM

I would like to thank everyone for their advice and plan on practicing on some scrap pieces over the next few days. Ron

-- I just don't understand. I have cut it 3 times and it is still to short.

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