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gauntlet21

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10-03-2018 05:50 PM

Topic tags/keywords: hand plane rabbet corners planing

I currently own a Woodriver block plane, and sandpaper. I’m going to be buying a set of 2-3 bench planes soon and am deciding to go with Lie Nielsen because there’s nothing in the world like a premium tool. I have a very simple project that I’ve been working on and encountered the need for a flush blade plane (bullnose, shoulder, rabbet etc.) The project is a simple screwdriver holder made of a 4” deep by 20” long by 1-1/2” thick board of red oak. The holes will be evenly spaced across 3 rows (the middle row of holes are aligned in the middle of the front and back row). I decided t ok get fancy and cut out a thicker section to make the front row, a less thick section for the second row, and then the back row remains untouched. This creates a “stadium seating” effect for the screwdrivers. It also has generated rabbets and shoulders that need to be planed. As a bench plane novice. If you could only have one of these types of planes, is there one that is most versatile for rabbets, dados, tenons, etc? I know you may not use it often, but when you need it, you need it. Is there another method to cleaning up that 90 degree corner that I am overlooking besides sanding?

Thanks,

Dan


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HokieKen

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#1 posted 10-03-2018 05:58 PM

I have a vintage Stanley 140 skewed block plane and it is one of my most used tools. It’s great for rabbets or anywhere you need to get into a corner. It’s also good for tenons and just general end-grain work because of the skewed blade. It’s one of those tools that will have to be pried from my cold, dead hand ;-)

Of course, it’s useless for dadoes…

LN and Veritas both have modern versions of the same plane and I’m sure either one is excellent.

-- Kenny, SW VA, Go Hokies!!!

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#2 posted 10-03-2018 06:34 PM

Stanley 45…..the ORIGINAL 7 planes in one….

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#3 posted 10-06-2018 04:16 AM

A Stanley 45 might be a little difficult to get my hands on. I’m certain it would do the trick though!

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#4 posted 10-06-2018 05:20 AM



A Stanley 45 might be a little difficult to get my hands on. I m certain it would do the trick though!

- gauntlet21

Just buy the Lee Valley combination plane, it is a heck of a lot easier to set up and use than a #45.

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#5 posted 10-06-2018 06:29 AM

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#6 posted 10-06-2018 01:54 PM

I would plane the pieces before assembly then do a little sanding, no special plane needed. If you must have a plane, for 1-1/2” wide material, a rabbit block, skewed or not, is the ticket.

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#7 posted 10-06-2018 02:14 PM

https://www.lie-nielsen.com/product/joinery-planes/large-router-planes-?node=4169

“is there one that is most versatile for rabbets, dados, tenons, etc”

How about a router plane?

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#8 posted 10-06-2018 02:44 PM

Maybe I’m missing something here…..a basic Stanley 45 on ebay is what…$120 – $250? The new knock-off is what..$700 and comes with..one cutter?

Go and read those build blogs I have…and see what a little practice with the 45 can produce…..

Very easy to spend all of someone else’s money, isn’t it?

For the price of the new combo plane..you could even get two Stanley 55s…...with all the cutters…

Some that complain about the tear out…maybe IF they followed the grain direction a little bit better?

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#9 posted 10-14-2018 12:48 AM



I currently own a Woodriver block plane, and sandpaper. I m going to be buying a set of 2-3 bench planes soon and am deciding to go with Lie Nielsen because there s nothing in the world like a premium tool. I have a very simple project that I ve been working on and encountered the need for a flush blade plane (bullnose, shoulder, rabbet etc.) The project is a simple screwdriver holder made of a 4” deep by 20” long by 1-1/2” thick board of red oak. The holes will be evenly spaced across 3 rows (the middle row of holes are aligned in the middle of the front and back row). I decided t ok get fancy and cut out a thicker section to make the front row, a less thick section for the second row, and then the back row remains untouched. This creates a “stadium seating” effect for the screwdrivers. It also has generated rabbets and shoulders that need to be planed. As a bench plane novice. If you could only have one of these types of planes, is there one that is most versatile for rabbets, dados, tenons, etc? I know you may not use it often, but when you need it, you need it. Is there another method to cleaning up that 90 degree corner that I am overlooking besides sanding?

Thanks,

Dan

- gauntlet21

For this “stepped” work, you need a moving fillester plane. This will make use of a wide blade, fence and depth stop. For accuracy, you need all three. Veritas have a skew rabbet plane. LN do not sell anything similar. On the second hand market you could look for a Stanley #78 or Record #078. The LN Rabbet block plane is not the same, and will make the task frustrating. It lacks a fence and depth stop. A substitute would be a large shoulder plane, but this is something for one with experience.

At this stage, if you do get the moving fillester, the other two new planes I would recommend are a jointer and a smoother. You also need a jack, but this is a “rough” plane, and I would suggest a used Stanley #5. The other specialised planes, such as a shoulder plane, router plane, etc come later.

Regards from Perth

Derek

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#10 posted 10-14-2018 12:55 AM

I like the #140 call from Ken. I love the hell out of that plane.

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#11 posted 10-16-2018 12:35 AM

+1 with Derek on using a moving filletster for this. My favorite is a Stanley 289… Skewed 1 3/4 inch iron allows cross grain or with grain work like a 140, but has much more mass and weight. My 289 is in almost daily use making lap joints, rebates or shoulders. If a fence is not required, how ’ bout the classic Stanley No. 10 or 10 1/2? BTW… I like your stadium tool rack idea… I just might do something similar…
Regards from Kentucky!

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#12 posted 10-16-2018 02:40 AM

I don’t think a 45 would work well for what you have planned. But if you really want one I have one I don’t use.

LN and LV planes are worth every penny.

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