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Forum topic by Alexl posted 09-25-2018 05:01 PM 671 views 0 times favorited 12 replies Add to Favorites Watch
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Alexl

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09-25-2018 05:01 PM

Hi All -

Setting up shop and trying to determine if i should go with a 2HP single-stage canister dust collector (IE: Jet DC-1200VX-CK1) or one of the smaller 1.5-2hp cyclones. My understanding is these short cyclones are far less effective than their larger brethren, but i would assume better than adding a thein baffle to a single stage collector. Looking for compact package, so adding separators etc is not a big draw for me. I am also not looking to plumb the whole shop with dust collection pipes. I am planning a center workstation that has tablesaw, bandsaw, jointer all in a single area with shared infeed/outfeed. The dust collector will also be in this cluster’s dead space, i would imagine no duct would be longer than 6 feet. The planer will likely be on an adjacent wall with a dedicated 1hp wall-mount bag-type collector. The large shavings from the planer should not be an issue with a 5-30micron bag. Looking at the brand new grizzly G0860, so i suppose i would be a guinnea pig – but the price is compelling compared to my original choice of the laguna 1.5hp cyclone.

Any thoughts on if the larger canister-type would suit me better than the mini-cyclone?

Alex


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EarlS

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#1 posted 09-25-2018 05:28 PM

I put a blog together with links to a bunch of the good DC sites.

My set up is similar to what you are describing. I use a garbage can separator when using the planer. The rest of the time I just use the Laguna C-Flux which has a cyclone. The thein baffle is nice but it has a really high pressure drop and smaller DC systems lose a lot of pressure with one. You want to keep flow and vacuum high as close to the tool as possible. There are a lot of little tricks that can help with that, from 5” PVC rather than 4” hose to limiting the number of elbows, to having one line that you switch between equipment.

I’d also look at the amount of floor space the DC setup will occupy.

-- Earl "I'm a pessamist - generally that increases the chance that things will turn out better than expected"

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Alexl

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#2 posted 09-25-2018 05:39 PM



I put a blog together with links to a bunch of the good DC sites.

My set up is similar to what you are describing. I use a garbage can separator when using the planer. The rest of the time I just use the Laguna C-Flux which has a cyclone. The thein baffle is nice but it has a really high pressure drop and smaller DC systems lose a lot of pressure with one. You want to keep flow and vacuum high as close to the tool as possible. There are a lot of little tricks that can help with that, from 5” PVC rather than 4” hose to limiting the number of elbows, to having one line that you switch between equipment.

I d also look at the amount of floor space the DC setup will occupy.

- EarlS

Thanks for the info! How do you like the Cflux? This was my primary choice until i saw the grizzly. i have heard reports that the filter bag fills more quickly than other cyclones.

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#3 posted 09-25-2018 06:53 PM

I wrote a review of the http://lumberjocks.com/reviews/product/5562- I would get something else if I was starting over. Oneida would be my choice even though they are more expensive. However, I’m an engineer so I tend to go with the best performance I can find even though it might be more expensive.

-- Earl "I'm a pessamist - generally that increases the chance that things will turn out better than expected"

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Alexl

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#4 posted 09-25-2018 07:35 PM

I am an engineer as well, however i am going for efficiency of funds and space. If i was interested in a full-shop ducted system i expect i would go with at least a 3HP cyclone. However, i don’t quite care for the look of all the ducts and the hassle of changing the ducting any time i want to change shop layout (more often than i am proud of). I would prefer having one mid-size machine at point of use to the big dust-creators, and small, dedicated units at point of use for other tools. Given that the collector will be placed within a couple feet of the dust source, i expect a large oneida or similar would be a bit overkill. My assumptions to not necessarily translate to fact.

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#5 posted 09-26-2018 11:38 AM

The Grizzly DC you mentioned looks very similar to the Laguna one I have. One down side, the dust bucket is probably going to be heavy and cumbersome to empty if it is anything like the Laguna version (30+ lbs). The airflow also seems low as does the maximum static pressure. You might be able to piece together something that has a better airflow and static pressure for the same, or less money. It seems like a 2 HP blower is the way to go with a cyclone (Dust Deputy?) in front of it with a garbage can under the cyclone. You would have to make a lid and transition to the cyclone. I’ve also seen some good homemade blower filters using furnace filters.

Does your planer have an integral blower? If so, a thein baffle on a garbage can, connected to the DC system will do a great job of knocking out the big stuff and the fine dust will go to the DC.

I guess I’m suggesting that you can put a better system together for less money if you piece it together. There should be a number of LJ projects and blogs that talk about doing so. I intend to do something like what I described once I get around to selling my Laguna.

-- Earl "I'm a pessamist - generally that increases the chance that things will turn out better than expected"

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Alexl

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#6 posted 09-26-2018 01:15 PM

Thanks for the Suggestions EarlS, i will certainly give them more thought. I have also given thought to the G0548ZP to add a separator to at a later date. With a 10% coupon, this isn’t much more than purchasing a Harbor Freight collector and adding a wynn filter-and should retain much higher resale value. However, right now i am more interested in working IN my shop, than ON my shop. It sounds as thought the answer may be that a smaller cyclone is not worth it, and the better value for the money is a good quality 2+Hp cannister single-stage collector. This gives me opportunity to upgrade later, if i decide necessary. The last option i considered with the full size, 2HP grizzly G0440- but this would require a ducting system.

To answer your question – the planer is the ubiquitous DW735 with fan chip ejection.

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#7 posted 09-26-2018 01:42 PM

Just be advised that a single stage dust collector from any company will involve very frequent cleaning of the filter, whether pleated or bag type. I have had both. That is just the nature of the configuration. For me, this was an unacceptable disadvantage. For now I am using an Oneida SSD cyclone with my Delta single stage dust collector. It was very much worth it even with the ridiculously overpriced SSD. When I upgrade my dust collection, I will not even consider a single stage system.

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#8 posted 09-26-2018 04:50 PM

I’m not an engineer but I took enough math to be one. I am currently doing a the $199 Harbor Freight DC and converting it to a two stage with the Winn Air filter ($225) and a Thien baffle top-hat design into a 30 gallon trash can. Just google HF 2 stage dC upgrades on youtube and you can get an idea of what I’m up too..So far I”m investing about $500 including the PVC and blast gates all in but that’s for a ridiculous system that I won’t have to clean and some of the highest filtration you can get.

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#9 posted 09-26-2018 05:17 PM

Alex – let us know what you decide and how it works. My experience having run the 735 planer with a single stage bag filter and a thein baffle is that set up keeps the DC from filling up and it will also catching the fine dust that would pass through only a bag filter.

-- Earl "I'm a pessamist - generally that increases the chance that things will turn out better than expected"

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Alexl

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#10 posted 09-26-2018 05:41 PM



Alex – let us know what you decide and how it works. My experience having run the 735 planer with a single stage bag filter and a thein baffle is that set up keeps the DC from filling up and it will also catching the fine dust that would pass through only a bag filter.

- EarlS

Hi Earl -

Just to be clear, a single stage bag filter is off the table – the only single stage collectors i am considering are 1-micron cartridge-type filters. I am considering building a stand for the planer that will include a separator for use only with the planer to help keep from filling the bag. The rest of the tools will go direct to the dust collector (for the time being). At some point, i may add a super dust deputy XL for an entire ducted system, but as noted, not intending to go ducted right away.

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fivecodys

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#11 posted 09-26-2018 05:54 PM

Hi Alex,
I used a single stage system for many years.
Last year, after reading many threads just like this one, I embarked on a journey to add a cyclone to my system and a short run of dedicated ducting.

I posted my ideas and got a lot of good feedback from the fine folks on this forum.

Here is a link to that thread if you are interested. http://lumberjocks.com/projects/388617

One common theme I ran into was keeping all turn and twists to a minimum. Long sweep elbows and long straight duct-work was called for time and time again.

I even bent the ears of the folks over at Oneida.

Good luck with your project.

-- I always knew I would grow old, But I expected it to take longer!

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Charlie H.

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#12 posted 09-26-2018 10:21 PM



Hi All -
Setting up shop and trying to determine if i should go with a 2HP single-stage canister dust collector (IE: Jet DC-1200VX-CK1) or one of the smaller 1.5-2hp cyclones. My understanding is these short cyclones are far less effective than their larger brethren, but i would assume better than adding a thein baffle to a single stage collector. Looking for compact package, so adding separators etc is not a big draw for me. I am also not looking to plumb the whole shop with dust collection pipes. I am planning a center workstation that has tablesaw, bandsaw, jointer all in a single area with shared infeed/outfeed. The dust collector will also be in this cluster s dead space, i would imagine no duct would be longer than 6 feet. The planer will likely be on an adjacent wall with a dedicated 1hp wall-mount bag-type collector. The large shavings from the planer should not be an issue with a 5-30micron bag. Looking at the brand new grizzly G0860, so i suppose i would be a guinnea pig – but the price is compelling compared to my original choice of the laguna 1.5hp cyclone.
Any thoughts on if the larger canister-type would suit me better than the mini-cyclone?
Alex
- Alexl

It’s probably just gratuitous spending since I have a dust collector that more or less sorta kinda works, but I just took the plunge (for better or worse) and ordered a Pflux 2 from the local Rockler store.
Hopefully there won’t be buyers remorse and wishing I had gone with the Oneida V system instead.
Once it’s here and I get it operational I will open a report thread.

-- Regards, Charlie in Rowlett, TX --------I talk to myself, because sometimes I need expert advice.---------

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