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HokieMojo

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2306 days ago

Topic tags/keywords: bifold doors walnut frame and panel wood doors

Hey everyone,
I’m planning to build a cabinet for a murphy bed that I have in my house. Because this cabinet will need to be so large, it is going to take a significant amount of material. I think that I’ve already got enough lumber in terms of board feet, but I don’t really have that much long stright stock. I was trying to decide whether I could still proceed, or if I’d need to go to the store to buy some lumber specifically for this.

Here is some background to help paint the picture. The bed is a queen size bed and it basically stands up straight against the wall when closed. The cabinet I was planning to try to build would have bi-fold doors with panel/frame construction. since the bed stands aboout 7 feet tall when closed, I was wondering if the stiles (correct term I hope) could be in two parts, seperated by a rail. This way I wouldn’t need one piece of long straight stock 7 feet long to build this?

I don’t think I’ve ever seen this done before. Normally I see the stiles run the full length of whatever project it is. I’m thinking it might have to do with maintaining stuctural integrity of the doors. If anyones got any advice, I’d really appreciate it.

It looks like Bob and Karson each have some examples of what I wish I could do, but don’t have the materials for here:
http://lumberjocks.com/projects/2949

http://lumberjocks.com/projects/2918


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#1 posted 2306 days ago

If you want to use a two piece stile just overlap two peices by about 8-12 inches with a half lap joint.

That much glue surface should be more than enough.

Keep us posted.

-- Gary - Never pass up the opportunity to make a mistake look like you planned it that way - Tyler, TX

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Al Killian

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#2 posted 2306 days ago

This would be a good project for http://www.delphiforfun.org/Programs/CutList.htm. You can put in the size of the peices you need and what size you have laying around. Then it will look to see how it can get the most out of what you have.

-- Owner of custom millwork shop

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#3 posted 2306 days ago

I am making a bed for my grandaughter. The bedhead posts were too short & I thought of joining them together to get the desired length but then I thought there will always be a use for the shorter lengths on some other projects. i went out and bought the correct lengths. As I say you can always use the scraps.

-- Grumpy - "Always look on the bright side of life"- Monty Python

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#4 posted 2306 days ago

agreed… yesterdays goof can be well stored and used later.

-- making sawdust....

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tenontim

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#5 posted 2306 days ago

It’s all about good design and workmanship. Even though lap joints are used all the time, I wouldn’t rank them up there with joints that will last the test of time, even with the new glues that are usually stronger than the wood.
I agree with Grumpy and motthunter. Pay me now or pay me later.

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#6 posted 2306 days ago

Thanks for all the posts but I may or may not need to qualify. I think what I’m wondering about more than making the stiles out of two pices lap jointed together is whether i can make the 3 rails run the full width of the door. that way the stiles can just connect the bottom rail to the center and the center to the top? Then the stiles wouldn’t need to run the full length. I hope that makes some more sense.
Thanks again!

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#7 posted 2305 days ago

That’s not “good design”. Your door will want to “fold up” along those horizontal joints. You’re talking a pretty good size panel here. If you look at both of the projects that you indicated, the rails run into the stiles, not the other way around. That’s the strength of the door. The only way you could get away with the design you want to use would be to back the whole thing up with a sheet of plywood, to strengthen the panel.

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#8 posted 2305 days ago

Thanks Tim,
That is what I was afraid the answer would be, but I just wanted to make certain. I looked all around and didn’t see anyone else doing this the way I was hoping to. I figured there was a good reason, but was hoping that it would be a reason I could easily work around. Oh well. Back to the drawing board.
Thanks again!

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