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Spart62

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09-23-2018 12:50 PM

I’m trying to gather an initial set of tools required to learn fine woodworking. I have power saws but I need something to learn joinery with. Hand saws, back saw, etc… While I CAN afford to purchase lie-nielsen saws (or other name brands of that quality/price) I’m just wondering if I should at this point. So… I’m asking the forum here what ‘experience’ thinks I should do. Do I need to purchase a Dovetail, Tenon and Carcass saw… along with a rip and crosscut ‘panel’ saw? If so should I purchase these high end style saws or is there a less expensive option that stills performs well? In short, I’m asking what make and model saws are recommended for a beginner.

Thanks for any input,
Scott

-- Scott


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#1 posted 09-23-2018 01:30 PM

All of my saws have come from re-habs of older saws. Give me a chance to really understand what/why/how.
I’m sure that the new premiums are wonderful, but I can buy and restore for less $$$.

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#2 posted 09-23-2018 01:38 PM

My first back saw was a Veritas dovetail saw, which I think was a good purchase. My first use of a saw file was touching up teeth that weren’t in bad shape. All of my other back saws have been vintage.

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#3 posted 09-23-2018 02:29 PM

For joinery, I’m partial to Japanese saws. I have some vintage re-habs for rough work. YRMW.

-- Sawdust Maker

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#4 posted 09-23-2018 04:04 PM

Japanese saws are awesome:
https://www.workshopheaven.com/set-of-4-gyokucho-japanese-saws-kataba-ryoba-dozuki-kugihiki.html

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#5 posted 09-23-2018 07:52 PM

Lie Nielson saws are a good start. I used have a Ln dovetail saw it was a good saw.
When you get some projects under your belt then start looking at the differences.
My best work is done with a Wenzloff saw. Its what my good in my hand.
Good luck

-- Aj

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Spart62

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#6 posted 09-24-2018 12:11 AM

I’ve bought a few used planes so far and in the process of restoring them. The planes though were pretty straight forward… purchase a Stanley/Record bailey plane with all the parts. Saws…. there are SOOOO many makes that I don’t really know which way to turn. I have some online ref for desirable vintage saws and I am considering going that route. Figured that would be one of the less expensive options that would be presented. I purchased a couple of the Irwin type “Japanese” style saws but I wasn’t that impressed. I don’t doubt that they cut well but they just didn’t feel right for me. Maybe I will end up with some but at this point I think I want to learn with ‘western’ style saws that I can sharpen once they are needed… which means no newer “hardened” blade style saws. But, I am reading and I certainly appreciate the input from everyone so far!

Scott

-- Scott

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#7 posted 09-24-2018 12:13 AM



Japanese saws are awesome:
https://www.workshopheaven.com/set-of-4-gyokucho-japanese-saws-kataba-ryoba-dozuki-kugihiki.html

Welcome to LumberJocks and thank you for your service.

- waho6o9

Thank you! :-) It truly was my pleasure…

-- Scott

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#8 posted 09-24-2018 12:17 AM


If so should I purchase these high end style saws or is there a less expensive option that stills performs well?

Thanks for any input,
Scott

- Spart62

Check out Florip Tool Works Erik is an LJ member and is making very good quality saws at intermediate prices. Popular woodworking recently did a review of one of his saws that was very positive.

-- In matters of style, swim with the current; in matters of principle, stand like a rock. Thomas Jefferson

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LittleShaver

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#9 posted 09-24-2018 02:08 PM

Paul Sellers has a video on sharpening that should help with tuning older saws. It helped me.

-- Sawdust Maker

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Spart62

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#10 posted 09-24-2018 03:03 PM



Japanese saws are awesome:
https://www.workshopheaven.com/set-of-4-gyokucho-japanese-saws-kataba-ryoba-dozuki-kugihiki.html

Welcome to LumberJocks and thank you for your service.

- waho6o9

Those are NOT the same kind of saws that I bought for SURE… one even looks like a traditional western ‘back’ saw. I bought a couple “Irwin” brand saws that look similar but the saws in this link are obviously much better quality. Guess I wrote them off because of the brand I first looked at.

-- Scott

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Spart62

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#11 posted 09-24-2018 03:13 PM

If so should I purchase these high end style saws or is there a less expensive option that stills performs well?

Thanks for any input,
Scott

- Spart62

Check out Florip Tool Works Erik is an LJ member and is making very good quality saws at intermediate prices. Popular woodworking recently did a review of one of his saws that was very positive.

- JayT

He doesn’t have anything available… not even parts and he doesn’t post any prices. I’ll try to remember to check back at his site in about a month to see what he wants for his saws. I will say that his saws look very nice. Thanks for the link.

Scott

-- Scott

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#12 posted 09-24-2018 03:24 PM

Shoot Eric an e-mail via his site Scott. I saw somewhere on his site recently that he was in the midst of some shop renovations so he’s probably tabling his sales until that’s complete. He can likely give you a ball park idea of when he’ll be up and running again and a price on what you want. He’s a really easy guy to work with.

-- Kenny, SW VA, Go Hokies!!!

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#13 posted 09-24-2018 03:50 PM

People who know what they’re talking about might disagree, but I suggest you get an inexpensive (disposable) Japanese saw to start with just to see how you like that kind of thing.

I have several “Shark” brand saws that I have enjoyed. It is not practical to re-sharpen them but they come very sharp and are quite hard. If you saw a staple, nail or small stone you will break teeth or dull them, but otherwise I think they are plenty good for occasional use.

This 19-tpi fine cut finish saw is one of my favorites. I cut a staple with one and just ordered the replacement blade but it’s not much more expensive just to buy the whole saw. That one has a very thin blade which might take a little getting used to if you are accustomed to pushing a saw to cut. This one you want to be very light with your pushing because the blade will buckle. It cuts on the pull stroke.

Shark makes other saws with thicker blades and without the plastic spine and with more ripping type teeth.

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Spart62

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#14 posted 09-24-2018 07:23 PM



People who know what they re talking about might disagree, but I suggest you get an inexpensive (disposable) Japanese saw to start with just to see how you like that kind of thing.

I have several “Shark” brand saws that I have enjoyed. It is not practical to re-sharpen them but they come very sharp and are quite hard. If you saw a staple, nail or small stone you will break teeth or dull them, but otherwise I think they are plenty good for occasional use.

This 19-tpi fine cut finish saw is one of my favorites. I cut a staple with one and just ordered the replacement blade but it s not much more expensive just to buy the whole saw. That one has a very thin blade which might take a little getting used to if you are accustomed to pushing a saw to cut. This one you want to be very light with your pushing because the blade will buckle. It cuts on the pull stroke.

Shark makes other saws with thicker blades and without the plastic spine and with more ripping type teeth.

- Ocelot

That’s interesting, as I said I purchased a couple of what I think are considered Japanese style saws and one of them is this IRWIN Tools Extra Fine-Cut Pull Saw, 10 5/8-inch which basically seems to be the same saw and in fact the Shark replacement blade is said to fit the Irwin. I’m not sure I like the feel of the plastic handle and the flimsy feel to it but I’m not set on anything. Personally I like the idea of being able to sharpen the teeth…. then again, I may not like the ACT of learning how to and actually sharpening the teeth! LOL

-- Scott

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Spart62

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#15 posted 09-24-2018 07:24 PM



Shoot Eric an e-mail via his site Scott. I saw somewhere on his site recently that he was in the midst of some shop renovations so he s probably tabling his sales until that s complete. He can likely give you a ball park idea of when he ll be up and running again and a price on what you want. He s a really easy guy to work with.

- HokieKen

Thanks, I’ll do that

-- Scott

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