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Forum topic by FrankCisco posted 09-13-2018 11:03 PM 405 views 0 times favorited 8 replies Add to Favorites Watch
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FrankCisco

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09-13-2018 11:03 PM

Topic tags/keywords: joining cabinet camp box chuck box

Hello all,
I’m trying to steer away from my old glue and screw plywood camp box design and would like advice on joining this box with other methods like mortise and tenon, lap joints, dovetail, etc. also even how unpractical it may be from experience. I am new to these joining methods, and would like to see if i can gain some prospective here.

Here’s what i got. what i want to work in my head is a frame and panel design that looks excellent. from the picture i have the panel thickness at 3/4, and was planing to use 1×4 and 1×2’s for the framing and some nice looking quarter inch ply panels. the weight is mainly going to be the box itself other than; a camp stove, some extra propane bottles, propane tree, gas lantern, the legs for the box, and other kitchen stuff.

So all this said, id like to see if anyone has advice on what joints to use and where to use them.

Per the picture my next step is the orientation of the framing for best joint, and the top part is going to hinge open at the middle witch is also giving me grief on where to end the framing, maybe dado in the bottom of the top compartment and end the base framework where it hinges open.

Thanks much!


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Rick Dennington

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#1 posted 09-13-2018 11:21 PM

Looking at your drawing, and the number of joints required, I’d use pocket hole joinery….You could glue it if you wanted to, but the screws in the pocket holes should be strong enough….Glue is optional….!!!

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#2 posted 09-13-2018 11:25 PM

Stopped dadoes would be cool, brad nailed and glued ‘Ala Norm’ at assembly. Full dadoes for top shelf. Outer carcase: dovetails if you’re so inclined. Possible with good ply, I’m told (never tried it).

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sepeck

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#3 posted 09-14-2018 06:24 AM


Stopped dadoes would be cool, brad nailed and glued Ala Norm at assembly. Full dadoes for top shelf. Outer carcase: dovetails if you re so inclined. Possible with good ply, I m told (never tried it).

- Smitty_Cabinetshop

I second this. For mine I used brad nails and glue with a few targeted screws. I built mine off the Blue Sky Kitchen plans. Best camp box ever. Mine is entirely 1/4” ply and some redwood ribbing.
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therealSteveN

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#4 posted 09-14-2018 07:36 AM

As already pointed out pocket hole joinery would be sufficient to hold the box itself together. If however you just want an undertaking to practice your newfound joinery skills you could certainly dovetail the case sides, to each other, as well as to the top and bottom.

I suppose you could M&T the interior parts through the sides, and your interior partitions. Again pocket holes would work. Also you could go middle ground as suggested with dado’s, glue and nails/brads. I don’t think that is where you were heading though.

I like to pick the joinery for what the intended use is, and if i felt it either needed the “look” or the strength, and ability to work without failure in as broad a range as possible. In this case the frequent movement, possibly not under the most gentle of situations would need to be addressed.

A camp box is going to see moving, and plenty of heavy use/abuse, so the DT, and M&T joints I described earlier would not be overkill, and would add a very nice finished look. Not to mention allow you to practice your joinery skills.

Make sure you post pics of whatever you come up with.

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Lazyman

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#5 posted 09-14-2018 11:43 AM

I would try box joints for the outer carcass. The extra glue surfaces eliminates the need to for screws and can be done with a simple jig on the table saw. Dovetails would be even stronger (make sure you orient them with the tails on the vertical pieces for maximum strength) but cutting them by hand takes some practice so you would would probably want to master that before you try that on your camp box. You could also use a router jig to make the dovetails and there are some table and band saw techniques for cutting dovetails. Of course if you are going to use box joints and especially on dovetails, it will look much better if you buy or glue-up boards instead of using plywood. In my experience, the dovetail router jigs don’t work very well on plywood because of chipout.

Note that for interior dividers I would simply use a dado and glue—no screws necessary. You could add some dowels if you want extra mechanical strength but it is not necessary. You could also use a sliding dovetail, especially if you use dovetails on the outer carcass.

-- Nathan, TX -- Hire the lazy man. He may not do as much work but that's because he will find a better way.

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FrankCisco

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#6 posted 09-16-2018 07:40 PM

Thank you all, and per what was said by Steven, regular box joining in my head wasn’t going to stand the moving around once its all loaded. If i move away from dado the shelving and use a heavier joint may enable me to proceed with finger joints along the box edges using the shelving and divider as the anchors. I was previously convinced that regular box joining wasn’t going to hold well seeing the weight etc, and was looking for better ways to join the outer skeleton. now that was all said the stronger joints being on the inside should resolve my whole problem of how to join the box. You guys save me so much already!

Going to start adding joints into the drawing with this thought process. Also the box top, and front door/shelf detail.

P.S/ been long weekend daughters birthday party. thanks for all the replies!

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JADobson

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#7 posted 09-16-2018 09:12 PM

I built one for a client a few years ago. Full dovetails on the outside corners and dados in the interior. Built in solid 3/4” pine. Doors had 1/4 oak plywood panels set in grooves. Hasn’t been returned yet.

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Lazyman

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#8 posted 09-16-2018 09:58 PM

Unless you load it down with more weight than you or even 2 people can possibly carry, the finger joints on the corners will be strong enough. Remember that some of the weight on the inside is transferred to the sides through horizontal shelves. Even if you managed to fill it with 400 lbs of stuff, not all of that weight would be on the bottom finger joints and what ever weight is on those joints would be split approximately in half between each side. Handles on the side you use to carry it would probably fail before the finger joints would.

-- Nathan, TX -- Hire the lazy man. He may not do as much work but that's because he will find a better way.

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