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Forum topic by willy66 posted 07-25-2011 03:29 PM 1186 views 0 times favorited 7 replies Add to Favorites Watch
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07-25-2011 03:29 PM

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Hey guys..

About a year ago I started getting more and more into hand tools. I decided to go with a Dozuki saw because o its fast cutting, think blade. And because they look cool as hell. I struggle cutting dovetails because the blade is so thin, and my technique inadequate, that the blade actually flexes as I cut. Resultantly, the side of the wood that I cannot see when I am cutting is off my guide lines even when I’m dead on my marks on the front side.

Gonna stop by TFWW to check out their dovetail saw for comparison. I’m wanted to ask you all, what you think. Have any of you tried one vs the other? Is one ‘easier’ than the other to use?

Look I know the answer is practice, practice, practice. Its the technique, not the tool. But I’m curious if I took the harder path starting with Japanese saw, or not?

-- -Willy, White Plains, NY


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#1 posted 07-25-2011 03:38 PM

I started and stayed with Japanese pull saws. I’ve done so many with them that I’ve lost the ability to use Western saws completely. I think people gravitate toward 1) Western dovetail saws, 2) Japanese pull saws, and 3) Bowsaws based on personal preference. I had problems staying perpendicular with my pullsaws. It took a long time to correct. I always cut with the showface facing me; that helps a little. I’d say, try all three and decide which one is the most fun to use; the technique will come if you stick to the one that feels right.

-- My dad and I built a 65 chev pick up.I killed trannys in that thing for some reason-Hog

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#2 posted 07-25-2011 05:09 PM

Saw it close, either Dozuki, western style, or band saw. Then pare to your mark with a SHARP chisel.

-- Michael: Hillary has a long list of accomplishments, though most DAs would refer to them as felonies.

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#3 posted 07-25-2011 08:23 PM

Ok, I just did some of my own research, and found the answer I was looking for. Just stop by Tools for Working Wood to pick up the book ‘The Joiner and The Cabinetmaker’ and while I was there, I got a chance to talk with Joel, and he showed me some of his saws. I got to try out the carcass saw (awesome), Bow Saw (awesome), and the dovetail saw (very awesome). I also got to answer my own question. While it was a little easier to use the Japanese saw, the dovetail saw from Grammercy Tools, was much easier to cut straight lines with. It took me a sec to get use to cutting upward, instead of down, but once i did, it was much different.

I still need a lot repetition, but I definitely feel much more comfortable using these saws, instead of the Japanese one.

On another note, the bow saw beats any coping saw I have ever used.

Thanks Joel, three more toys to add to the list..

(You see the trouble I get in Bertha).

-- -Willy, White Plains, NY

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#4 posted 07-26-2011 04:07 AM

I’ve been joneing after one of their bow saws for a while. Thinking of building their kit. It would be very dangerous for me to be close to them. I have been buying their Ashley Iles carving chisels. I have a number of them I still want.

-- We must guard our enthusiasm as we would our life - James Krenov

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#5 posted 07-27-2011 01:53 PM

I know the Gramercy saws come highly recommended. I’m with Wayne, though, the character of a bowsaw is more my speed. I just have to relearn how to cut forward! If I were in the market for a new saw, I’d be looking at the Bad Axe’s. I may just be buying into the hype but I really like what that company is doing.

-- My dad and I built a 65 chev pick up.I killed trannys in that thing for some reason-Hog

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#6 posted 07-27-2011 02:45 PM

Wayne, it is a very dangerous place to be close to them. Since I tried out those saws and talked to Joel, I have been haunted by the urge to just go out an buy them. You think my mortgage company would mind waiting a few more weeks? That bow saw is awesome and it is somewhere near the top of my list of things to get.

I checked online into the LV saws and Bad Axe’s saws, and they look good (as far as my novice eye is concerned), my problem is that I can’t try them out before I buy them. I am all for buying tools to work with for life, and then pass down to my kids and grand kids. I don’t mind paying for these things. Does LV and Bad Axe allow you to try the saw and return if I’m not happy? I have a pretty meaty paw, as well, and there are saws out there that I can’t get my hand in.

Oh, just in case you were considering getting the dovetail saw from Grammercy Tools, Joel warned that it will be going up in price soon….might have to take a trip out there at lunch…

-- -Willy, White Plains, NY

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#7 posted 07-28-2011 06:37 AM

Other than the bow saws I am not settled on saws. I was thinking I would start vintage and go from there. I’m jonesing for the Iles detailed carving sets and perhaps a set of Iles bench chisels.

-- We must guard our enthusiasm as we would our life - James Krenov

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