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RJweb

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07-22-2011 12:28 AM

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Good evening,
Its a tose up between sawstop contractor saw and craftsman 22116 with the granite top, This is the first saw I every bought, I plan on using it to make cabinets and furniture, If you can give any advice I would appreciate it, Thx

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knotscott

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#1 posted 07-22-2011 01:05 AM

I’d be torn if I were facing the same decision. I tend to like the design of a good hybrid over a contractor saw with an outboard motor, and I suspect that the individual features of the 22116 are a step up from the basic steel wings and basic aluminum fence of the entry level SS, but in this case I think I’d suggest going for the flesh sensing technology of the Saw Stop. I’m betting it cuts and performs well enough to offset any of the feature losses with their technology system…. the wings and fence can be upgraded later if necessary, but it’d be much less likely that you’ll ever be able to add the SS technology to the 22116 later on. I really wish SS had skipped the contractor saw format and gone with a hybrid….there’s just very little benefit from having an outboard motor, and it brings a bunch of minor issues.

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bunkie

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#2 posted 07-22-2011 05:28 AM

If it were me, I’d go with the Sawstop. The main reason isn’t the safety feature, it’s the quality of the saw itself. Sears tools are hit and miss these days but Sawstop has earned a reputation as a first rate tool even without the flesh-sensing technology. Personally, I’m not convinced that granite gives you an real advantage over cast iron. I’ve owned two different contractor-style saws and they are perfectly fine tools, capable of anything a cabinet saw can do (assuming you use a thin-kerf blade and adjust feed rates). The advantage of hybrid and cabinet saws is their ease of alignment of the blade to the top. However, this is a one-time setup and there are great accessories that make this easier (PALS come to mind). Go with the better tool and don’t be lured in by the siren song of “more features”. In the end you’ll be glad you did. And, should you ever have an encounter with the blade, I’m sure you will appreciate the added safety of the Sawstop. It’s not cheap, but it could end up being much less expensive in the long run.

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tedth66

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#3 posted 07-22-2011 05:47 AM

Sawstop all the way. I have this saw and love it. The quality of cut may be matched but I don’t believe it can be beat. The safety feature is a bonus. I’m as careful or more careful with my Sawstop as I was with my dad’s Craftsman (with crappy fence) or my old Dewalt jobsite saw.

-- Ted

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ChuckM

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#4 posted 07-22-2011 05:57 AM

Another reason why you should not get the Craftsman is its resale value would be disappointing. Yes, you probably will keep whatever saw you decide for the next 5 years and more. Still, from a value point of view and quality perspective, the Sawstop and the Craftsman are not in the same category or class. As they say, buy the best you can afford. If you can afford a SS as your first tablesaw, congrats. I think a SS costs twice as much as a 22116.

One more consideration, if you have a granite top, you can’t use any magnetic accessories. Of course, the plus side is it’s rust free. You have to determine if your use of magnetic accessories is frequent (it’s for me).

Also read this discussion on the pros and cons of a granite top: http://lumberjocks.com/topics/28586

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#5 posted 07-22-2011 06:50 AM

ChuckM
I like this, The time I enjoy wasting is not time wasted

I would never buy another TS with a hang behind motor My 2 cents

-- E J ------- Always Keep a Firm Grip on Your Tool

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TheWoodNerd

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#6 posted 07-22-2011 01:48 PM

Just another perspective: In my area, I see tons of craftsman and similar table saws for sale on craigslist all the time. In the last two years that I’ve had a continuous search running, I’ve never seen a single SawStop for sale.

-- The Wood Nerd -- http://www.workshopaholic.net

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#7 posted 07-22-2011 02:04 PM

I’m no Sawstop lover but I’d go with the Sawstop in this case, irrespective of safety features. I don’t own a cabinet saw, so I probably shouldn’t even be commenting. My vintage contractor saw is a messmaker with about 10% dust collection, at best. Other than that, I have zero complaints. I’ve used cabinet saws and they’re lovely. My next saw will be the PM2000; but I can’t drum up a really good reason to hate contractor saws.

-- My dad and I built a 65 chev pick up.I killed trannys in that thing for some reason-Hog

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richgreer

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#8 posted 07-22-2011 02:48 PM

Those are 2 radically different saws. Why aren’t you considering Jet, Delta, Grizzly, etc.?

FWIW – I use my magnet based finger boards a lot and, therefore, I would not consider a granite top.

-- Rich, Cedar Rapids, IA - I'm a woodworker. I don't create beauty, I reveal it.

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RJweb

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#9 posted 07-22-2011 10:04 PM

Thx for all your input, I went to woodcraft today. Talked to them there, they agree with everyone here, buy a ss contractor saw over a general and even the jet hybrid saw. Tedth66, that is a great set up you have designed and built. Are you still using it? Thx again

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HorizontalMike

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#10 posted 07-22-2011 10:41 PM

RJweb, sorry to say this but all evidence shows us is that you had your mind made up before you even posted here on LJs, and Rich is right when he basically stated the apple to orange comparison of SS to Sears. Geez man, open your eyes! Let’s see,... Do I want a turd or do I want a steak? Hmm…?

For all the $$ you are considering for a SS “Contractor” TS you could have a very fine cabinet saw with extras AND NO regrets (Jet, Delta Grizzly, etc.). But hey, throw all the money you want at it without really thinking…spend, spend, spend… And BTW, WC has no bias to sell you a SS over anything else in their store, yep,... ‘shore. And since on LJs you have NO Name, NO shop, NO profile, NO location, NO website, NO reviews, NO blogs, No projects, No Nothing(yeah I know it’s a double negative),... we are all left wondering ”Are you just posting queries to be posting, just posting to hear yourself posting (ad nauseum for a newbie?)?”

Just my own biased 2-cents worth ;-)

-- HorizontalMike -- "Woodpeckers understand..."

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#11 posted 07-22-2011 10:45 PM

With respect to Mike’s last point, apparently the margins for SS resellers are significantly lower than with other tool brands. I discovered this when I bought mine a little over a year ago.

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RJweb

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#12 posted 07-23-2011 03:53 AM

Sorry Mike if I had crossed lines here, but I am just starting out in woodworking, and this will be my first major power tool purchase. If you have a particular ts that I should concider please let me know, thx

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agallant

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#13 posted 07-23-2011 05:26 AM

Hi RJweb,

I am allot like you. I consider all of my options before throwing down my hard earned cash on something so I understand you looking at a wide range of TS rather than one class of TS.

I was saving up for a sawstop 3HP PCS and at the last min decided to get the contractor saw and Jet 16-32 drum sander for the same price. I did consider the other brands but decided that since my fingers are more important to me than the $700 or so I would save getting a Delta or what not I decided to get the sawstop.

I don’t regret getting the contractor saw, it is a great saw and I feel it is up to par with most other under 3hp saws out there. I would recommend getting the cast iron wings and tglide fence. I paid around $2200 out the door at wood craft with mine(not including the cast iron wings)
It is a hard decision to make. I guess the question you have to ask yourself is if the safty feature is worth the extra money or not and that can only be answered by you.

If you decide to not go with the sawstop there are plenty of good saws out there. I did have a granite top saw before and it had some advantage and non-advantages. I liked how I did not have to worry about it rusting and the smoothness of it but on the other hand I have a very bad habit of using my TS as a work bench and put a few chips in it. I was scared to death of cracking it because I am sure it is difficult to order just a replacement top and would have to buy a new saw.

As for ‘crossing the line’ I would not worry about upsetting some random guy online. if someone gets too annoying you can click on their name and click block.

-AG

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SnowyRiver

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#14 posted 07-23-2011 05:39 AM

I have often told people to watch Ebay and Craig’s list. There are a lot of excellent saws on there at half the price of a new one and they run just fine. You have to know your prices, and certainly need to check it out carefully. In the economy that we are in, I find a lot of folks are unloading some of their equipment at rock bottom prices. You can even find new items for low prices on those websites. The table saw is the heart of your shop so I would recommend spending what you can, but dont settle on a new so so one when you might be able to find a great cabinet saw like Delta, Powermatic, Grizzly, etc thats used for close to the same price.

I screwed myself a few months ago when I found a brand new Powermatic 3 HP shaper on Craig’s list for $1500. That shaper would normally have sold for $3000 or more. The store that had it was trying to sell it to make room for the new models. I should have jumped at it, but by the time I decided to take it, it was already sold.

-- Wayne - Plymouth MN

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David Grimes

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#15 posted 07-23-2011 05:55 AM

My advice: Don’t say another word on here about it. ;=) Get a 20% off Harbor Freight coupon, go to Home Depot and get the Ridgid R4512 for less than $500. Go ahead and pick up a good blade. Set it up meticulously. Leave the guards on. Use the magnetic featherboard and your push stick. Remember to send in your Lifetime Warranty. Try not to do anything stupid. Make some dust.

-- If you're going to stir the pot, think BIG spoon or SMALL boat paddle. David Grimes, Georgia

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