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Forum topic by David Grimes posted 07-21-2011 08:11 PM 4864 views 0 times favorited 15 replies Add to Favorites Watch
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David Grimes

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07-21-2011 08:11 PM

I finally have a tote that is broken cleanly in half.

I want to repair it so that I can’t tell it was ever broken… and hopefully so well that it will never break again (or not even fool with it at all). Is this too much to ask ?

Have any of you repaired a tote that well ? Please share your success and expertise.

-- If you're going to stir the pot, think BIG spoon or SMALL boat paddle. David Grimes, Georgia


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Bertha

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#1 posted 07-21-2011 08:17 PM

Easy, bro. CA glue or epoxy, clamp, sand down, shellac, wax, done. You’ll never know it happened.

Ask Dan. I seem to remember him posting some invisible repairs.

Some wood, a drillpress, a Shinto rasp, and some sandpaper…you can make your own very quickly.

Ask Philip Marcou about this one…his look perfect, not surprisingly.

-- My dad and I built a 65 chev pick up.I killed trannys in that thing for some reason-Hog

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David Grimes

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#2 posted 07-21-2011 08:22 PM

You know… I’ve been wanting to do this for… man, I don’t know… at least… WEEKS (or something). LOL

-- If you're going to stir the pot, think BIG spoon or SMALL boat paddle. David Grimes, Georgia

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#3 posted 07-21-2011 08:25 PM

A clean break can be repaired so that you have to look hard to find it….I’ve never managed to get one fixed where I couldn’t tell at all. I just use plain ole yellow wood glue and a clamp, sand it, and shellac it.


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#4 posted 07-21-2011 08:30 PM

Damn. I thought (hoped) I was gonna have to burnish something or something else I’ve never done. ;=)

-- If you're going to stir the pot, think BIG spoon or SMALL boat paddle. David Grimes, Georgia

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#5 posted 07-21-2011 08:34 PM

Looks like a very clean break. You shouldn’t have any problem fixing that one. Clean the gluing surfaces with mineral spirits or cleaner of choice and make sure its nice and clean. Often a lot of gunk will build up in the cracks I will use wire brush/tooth brush to make sure I get all that out.

I have only used regular wood glue to fix mine and its worked just fine.

To clamp it all you have to do is screw it back onto the plane and tighten the screw. Easy as that. I have seen guys use clamps and jigs and IMO thats a waist of time. The clamping pressure of just screwing it back on the plane is more then enough. Once it drys take it off and sand really well.

Here is one of my fixes. Broke in the same spot yours did..

I think my fix here is about as good as you can get. Only a slight crack visible when looking close. I use the plane often and the tote is very solid and I even forgot it was broken until you posted this. I don’t even notice the crack when I am using it.

-- Dan - "Collector of Hand Planes"

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#6 posted 07-21-2011 08:37 PM

I’ve tried a couple different ways. I blogged about it once. Its like any wood repair. If its a clean break and you can clamp it straight, its as close to invisable as you can get. I’ve also had some not so clean. I even had one re-break. I took it back apart, wire brushed it (it was pretty dirty, thus the break) and re-glued. Its held ever since.

-- Master hand plane hoarder. - http://timetestedtools.net

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#7 posted 07-21-2011 09:00 PM

Found some more pics… I think this is the same handle as the pics in my previous post but these pics are better.

-- Dan - "Collector of Hand Planes"

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#8 posted 07-21-2011 09:05 PM

David; Sorry, it can’t be done. Send the whole stinkin’ works to me and forget this ever happened… :-)

But seriously…

The secret is in the clamp up. Don W (link is above!) shows how he created a curved block that matched up with the top curve of the tote to get it parallel with it’s base. Then it could be clamped up in a face vise. Another picture shows a threaded rod through the tote and tightened up the glued joint to cure that way. Even pressure was the key to both.

Good Luck!

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#9 posted 07-21-2011 09:32 PM

I have an old Stanley 4C that was my dad’s. It’s tote is broken just like your’s, and the others shown here, but he apparently tried to fix it with resin or hyde glue at some point. I got it about 10 years after he passed away, and would like to restore it as well. Is the old glue a big problem? Can it just be carved or scraped out? I have to make a totally new knob because the old one is missing.

I realize that mine is not a BedRock, it’s a just a common Stanley/Bailey, but I’d like to fix it because it was dad’s and I don’t have many of his old tools. A couple planes, and saws, a hand cranked grinder is about it.

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Bertha

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#10 posted 07-21-2011 09:35 PM

The original stanley rosewood totes will take a sanding very well. You shouldn’t have any trouble scraping off glue. There’s nothing common about your Dad’s Stanley; I’d do anything and everything to keep it serving your family in the shop.

-- My dad and I built a 65 chev pick up.I killed trannys in that thing for some reason-Hog

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#11 posted 07-22-2011 07:30 AM

Epoxy and Gorilla glue has worked for me. I posted these photos in one of David’s other posts. Adding here for completeness.

Results of cleaning

Handle in clamp

close up handle

Look ma no break

Rexmill has a great write-up on handle repair…

https://home.comcast.net/~stanleyplanes/planes101/handle_repair/handle.htm

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#12 posted 07-26-2011 06:36 PM

I’ll echo the rexmill site, loaded with info and pics, when I repaired the no.2 I used epoxy- but alas, as usual in my ww adventure I must have made a mistake and it re broke yesterday! But, if you have worked with epoxy before, then go for the epoxy :)
I may just duck tape mine lmao jk!

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#13 posted 07-26-2011 08:04 PM

I finished the tote repair. It was successful.

So here’s what I did. I sanded by hand the exterior. I barely touched the faces of the break to the disk sander to get a straight plane on each. I applied SP10 to one side (pretty heavy so a bit would ooze out), then accelerator to the other side. I attached them aligned and pushed together as hard as I am able for 30 seconds. Done. Since I had the ooze around the “seam” and it did not come in contact with accelerator, I quickly sanded with 220 vertically all the way around the horizontal seam. I was making dust and dragging it into the small amount of CA ooze and it was mixing and dragging into the crack and filling with color from the solids. Kind of like burnishing, but with sandpaper and CA. I can repeat this process if needed, but I think it will be very hard to detect once finished.

Four coats of Deft spray…

It’s a keeper.

-- If you're going to stir the pot, think BIG spoon or SMALL boat paddle. David Grimes, Georgia

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#14 posted 07-27-2011 04:33 AM

@NotVeryGood, Thank you for the kind words. I am pleased with this one. Now to see if the others to come turn out as well.

-- If you're going to stir the pot, think BIG spoon or SMALL boat paddle. David Grimes, Georgia

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#15 posted 07-27-2011 04:37 AM

this one came out nice David.

-- Master hand plane hoarder. - http://timetestedtools.net

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