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Forum topic by BroncoBrian posted 08-11-2018 03:41 AM 977 views 0 times favorited 33 replies Add to Favorites Watch
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BroncoBrian

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08-11-2018 03:41 AM

Anyone else having issues with Crown Tools Try squares?

I think I got these from Woodcraft a while ago, neither of them is square enough to use. Maybe for deck building (not at that size). I noticed after testing my table saw and jointer with newer Woodpecker and Starrett squares and another super heave machinist square.

I was concerned that my tools were losing their settings but remembered which squares I used to set them up. Now that everything is perfect, I found my culprits.

They are not even square to each other, inside or out!

-- I'd like to see a forklift lift a crate of forks. It'd be so damn literal!


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Joe Lyddon

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#1 posted 08-11-2018 04:11 AM

Darn… they sure LOOK like good squares… Too bad they’re NOT square…

Could they have been dropped to be out-of-square?

It doesn’t look like there is a way to FIX them… except to pound the beejees out of them…

You could contact the Company… they might help… never know until you try…
... they might give a brand NEW set!!

Good luck…

-- Have Fun! Joe Lyddon - Alta Loma, CA USA - Home: http://www.WoodworkStuff.net ... My Small Gallery: http://www.ncwoodworker.net/pp/showgallery.php?ppuser=1389&cat=500"

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#2 posted 08-11-2018 04:47 AM

Tool snob. It would be accurate if it was alder.

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Joe Lyddon

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#3 posted 08-11-2018 05:43 AM



Tool snob. It would be accurate if it was alder.

- TheFridge

ROFAMAO

-- Have Fun! Joe Lyddon - Alta Loma, CA USA - Home: http://www.WoodworkStuff.net ... My Small Gallery: http://www.ncwoodworker.net/pp/showgallery.php?ppuser=1389&cat=500"

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#4 posted 08-11-2018 06:13 AM

They can be squared by setting the brass pins, but IMO should never have too?

-- Lifting one end of the plank.

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AESamuel

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#5 posted 08-11-2018 07:40 AM

Have you checked the inside for square or just the outside?
I remember reading that those styles of squares are only guaranteed for square based on the inside brass and not the outside, due to the wood movement of the handle. That may only be a problem with lesser quality squares?

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#6 posted 08-11-2018 11:15 AM

If I couldn’t send them back or get them replaced I’d make sure they were tight and file (inside) or flat sand ( outside) them square.

But I agree, there is no way you should have to. Even my home Depot squares are square

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#7 posted 08-11-2018 12:06 PM

IF you file or sand/file either side then you will have to abandon using the other side. That’s a last resort. Start by wiggling the blade – if it moves you will have to peen the three pins. Next take a caliper measurement at the tip of the blade and the base to check parallel these should be within about .002”. Next set it on your table saw or granite plate and s a machinist square like a Starrett or 123 block to check the out side. Clamp the blade in your vise and tap the handle, remove and check it. This a a bit of a pain because you will tap too lightly at first then get frustrated and smack it (Ok that’s what I did – you may not) after a lot of back and forth you will get your square to 90. Btw if the blade is not within .002”- .003” THEN you should file the blade to parallel. Remember it’s only wood not steel, 1/128’ is about .008” and your “fine” sandpaper grit is about .006”.

-- Bill - Rochester MI

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#8 posted 08-11-2018 12:23 PM

I have one and it, too is not accurate. BTW I also have a Starret square of similar build and shockingly, it was not square.

I’ve had a couple other Crown tools, one in particular, a tenon saw, lets just say not the best I had to resharpen and reset the teeth to get it working properly.

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BroncoBrian

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#9 posted 08-11-2018 02:54 PM



Tool snob. It would be accurate if it was alder.

- TheFridge

You are correct, and buying those in Rosewood is one of my biggest regrets in life. I have learned a lot since that fateful day at Woodcraft.

-- I'd like to see a forklift lift a crate of forks. It'd be so damn literal!

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BroncoBrian

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#10 posted 08-11-2018 02:56 PM



Darn… they sure LOOK like good squares… Too bad they re NOT square…

Could they have been dropped to be out-of-square?

- Joe Lyddon

Joe – they were not dropped. It would be noticeable. Nope, they were in their pretty protective sleeve and only used one time with great care. I tried a little pressure to move one of them, no luck. Plus, the metal was not cust parallel so if one side is square, the other would not be square.

-- I'd like to see a forklift lift a crate of forks. It'd be so damn literal!

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BroncoBrian

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#11 posted 08-11-2018 03:04 PM

Andre – there is no adjustment in the pins. They are machines smooth on each side.

AESamuel – Nope, neither inside nor outside is square.

BlueNote – there is no wiggle at all. I don’t think .002 is very good over that small distance, but they are 0.007 off which is 7.5x worse than my crosscut sled. Not impressive for machined metal over 3.75”.

I contacted Crown. I would expect they will swap them. If not… I will be nice for now.

RWE2156 – you SHOULD contact Starrett, they will send a replacement. Their stuff has been incredible to date in my experience. Incra, Starrett, and Woodpeckers all make very precision tools. Woodpeckers prices are ridiculous though. They are making Starrett and Incra rules look like bargains.

-- I'd like to see a forklift lift a crate of forks. It'd be so damn literal!

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JRsgarage

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#12 posted 08-11-2018 03:43 PM

I have similar ones with same results…junk

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#13 posted 08-11-2018 04:49 PM

Filing the blade is not a fix for an” out-of-square” square. You will end up with a blade with dips, nicks, bevels, etc. The only true way to square it is to put it on a surface grinder (best) or on a milling machine (2nd best). I wouldn’t sweat it for woodworking, but .007” sounds excessive to me at least for woodworking. Return it.

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Andre

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#14 posted 08-11-2018 04:59 PM

You can peen the brass pins to square the inside, then draw file or lap outside blade, for 7 thou. wouldn’t take much.

-- Lifting one end of the plank.

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lew

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#15 posted 08-11-2018 05:14 PM

Yes. Bought a square years ago at a woodworking store. Should have checked it before I paid for it. Still have it in a junk drawer.

Later on I bought one of their mid sized marking gauges- 2 pins/1 pin- mail order. The pins were crooked and the stop nut threads damaged. Contacted them. They said send it back and they would replace it. The postage to their headquarters (England) was more than I paid for the tool. They did replace it and gave me a mimi bevel square for my troubles.

-- Lew- Time traveler. Purveyor of the Universe's finest custom rolling pins.

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