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jerkylips

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08-08-2018 08:28 PM

I was bored, so was looking at cabinet saws that are way more expensive than I can justify spending – noticed something interesting. The Delta 36-L552 and Sawstop PCS are remarkably similar, and very close in price. Fence, table, motor, etc. – VERY similar. Pricing out the 3hp motor and 52” fence options, Sawstop is about $200 more

The obvious difference is the Sawstop technology – so out of curiosity, at essentially the same price, is there any reason to get the Delta over the Sawstop?

https://www.homedepot.com/p/Delta-15-Amp-5HP-10-in-Unisaw-Table-Saw-with-52-in-Biesemeyer-Fence-System-36-L552/205112176

http://www.sawstop.com/build#build-price/professional-cabinet-saw/professional-cabinet-saw_PCS31230_TGP252A_0


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GoingUp

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#1 posted 08-08-2018 08:38 PM

That’s a 5HP Delta vs 3HP Sawstop.

https://www.homedepot.com/p/Delta-52-in-Unisaw-3-HP-Left-Tilt-with-Biesemeyer-Fence-System-36-L352/205112175

The 3HP Delta is about $350 less

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#2 posted 08-08-2018 08:54 PM



That s a 5HP Delta vs 3HP Sawstop.

https://www.homedepot.com/p/Delta-52-in-Unisaw-3-HP-Left-Tilt-with-Biesemeyer-Fence-System-36-L352/205112175

The 3HP Delta is about $350 less

- GoingUp


you’re right, I grabbed the wrong link so basically 2650 vs 3000. Question still remains – when you’re spending close to $3000, I don’t think I’d call $350 a drastic difference between the two.

https://www.homedepot.com/p/Delta-52-in-Unisaw-3-HP-Left-Tilt-with-Biesemeyer-Fence-System-36-L352/205112175

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#3 posted 08-09-2018 12:50 AM

The ICS is much more of a match to the Unisaw than the PCS. PCS is more comparable to a PM1000.

Unisaw – 661 pounds, 31” deep table, 1-1/8” dado stack capability, 5 year warranty
PM2000 – 675 pounds, 30.5” deep table, 13/16” dado stack capability, 5 year warranty
ICS – 685 pounds, 30” deep table, 13/16” dado stack capability, 2 year warranty
PCS – 449 pounds, 27” deep table, 13/16” dado stack capability, 2 year warranty
PM1000 – 394 pounds (1.75hp), 27” deep table, 13/16” dado stack capability, 5 year warranty

Cheers,
Brad

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#4 posted 08-09-2018 01:36 AM

home depot add says biesemeyer fence accurate to 1/4 inch is that something to brag about ? must be a misprint because my old unifence is dead on

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#5 posted 08-09-2018 01:40 AM


home depot add says biesemeyer fence accurate to 1/4 inch is that something to brag about ? must be a misprint because my old unifence is dead on

- ruger


Definitely a misprint. Mine is dead on.

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#6 posted 08-09-2018 03:25 AM

Get the sawstop. How much are your fingers worth.

-- Bruce, Boise, ID

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#7 posted 08-09-2018 03:48 AM

I have no experience to compare the saws. But will say that the SawStops are great saws without considering the safety technology. I have a 3 HP PCS and can’t imagine how it could be any better for me. I don’t think a bigger heavier saw would work better for me. Though certainly makes sense in a production shop where it will hold up better over time running hours every day.

I estimated that the SawStop had about a $500 premium for the safety technology. While that’s not insignificant, over the decades I expect to use the saw, the difference is trivial. And of course it would pay for itself many times over if it saves me from a serious injury.

-- Clin

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#8 posted 08-09-2018 03:12 PM

I’ll second a couple of points made above, the more accurate comparison between the SS and Uni is the to use the SS ICS model. I’m not downplaying the PCS, it’s probably a lifetime saw as well, but the ICS is a little closer to aplles to apples. My guess is Clin hit it, the premium for the technology is probably about $500, +/-. Whether you want to spend that and gamble on the technology (in terms of future support) is a personal decision. I decided to go with Sawstop.

-- Our village hasn't lost it's idiot, he was elected to congress.

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#9 posted 08-09-2018 03:29 PM

The PCS is a great saw. I would be curious to open them up and look at the heft of the SS and Delta. The Unisaw is beautiful in every way. You would love it and owners of the Unisaw swear by it.

But to do SS owners. Cannot dislike either of those machines.

One accident, even a small accident. ONLY ONE. One trip to the ER and you are ahead, maybe for the rest of your life. If you have a family, anyone who else might work on that tool with you? Don’t mess around comparing paper. It does not matter.

-- My fake plants died because I did not pretend to water them.

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jerkylips

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#10 posted 08-09-2018 03:35 PM

lots of good thoughts on this – just to clarify my question(I re-read my post & I think I could have been clearer),

Let’s say that the Sawstop did NOT have the blade stop technology – comparing the rest of the unit to the Delta, are there any significant differences?

Brad mentioned a couple. To me, weight isn’t a significant factor on its own. The table depth is one difference I didn’t realize, & that could be significant. Other than that, anything else? Like, how is the Sawstop fence compared to the Beisemeyer?

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#11 posted 08-09-2018 05:12 PM

It’s a matter of preference. There are those who swear by the safety feature of the SS and there are those who don’t see a need for those safety features. Neither is right or wrong. Both saws are good, but personally, my only gripe with the SS is the cost and inconvenience of a brake trip. When I’m looking at a saw or any other machine, I’m concerned in precision first and quality of build. I’m not terribly concerned with “convenience” as that is different for different people. I find I can work around an “inconvenience” just as you can with an inconvenient item on your car; you just learn to live with it.
A thought about the Delta 10”, 5-hp; I don’t feel you need 5-hp on a 10” saw; for 12”, yes, but not for 10”. 3-hp is perfectly adequate for a 10” saw. Personally, I would go with the Delta, but with 3-hp. Why pay for all that extra power you really don’t need.

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#12 posted 08-09-2018 05:37 PM

I agree with MrRon, it is a matter of preference. Both are accurate and good fit and finish. What really matters is the quality or capability of the person running the saw. I can not believe the amount of time and words spent analyzing the SS. You either like it or not.

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BroncoBrian

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#13 posted 08-09-2018 06:24 PM



I can not believe the amount of time and words spent analyzing the SS. You either like it or not.

- Redoak49

I think there is more psychology to it than that statement. People justify what they perceive to be valuable and brush off those things they find unnecessary. One guy will stress over a Range Rover or a Supercharged RR while another guy thinks that a $100k SUV us stupid and unnecessary.

The SS 3HP is a great saw and you might wish you had one some day. Until then, it is not worth the money.

-- My fake plants died because I did not pretend to water them.

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builtinbkyn

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#14 posted 08-09-2018 06:53 PM



lots of good thoughts on this – just to clarify my question(I re-read my post & I think I could have been clearer),

Let s say that the Sawstop did NOT have the blade stop technology – comparing the rest of the unit to the Delta, are there any significant differences?

Brad mentioned a couple. To me, weight isn t a significant factor on its own. The table depth is one difference I didn t realize, & that could be significant. Other than that, anything else? Like, how is the Sawstop fence compared to the Beisemeyer?

- jerkylips

I own the Delta. My decision was based exactly on the questions you asked in the OP. I picked it mostly on it’s ergonomics – controls in the front, including the release for the riving knife which is a true riving knife. I liked the larger surface of the top, more landscape in front of the blade, a large throat opening for changing blades and a spindle lock and the captured washer on the nut which makes blade changing a one tool operation. I don’t recall if the PCS or the ICS have those. I’ve only seen the PCS in Rockler. Never used the machine.

All things being equal, I probably would have opted for the ICS for the safety factor. One day I may very well do that. Like everyone else, when you get older, your “sharpness” goes a bit and so does your strength. For now I really enjoy using my Unisaw. It doesn’t lack in any capacity and it looks like a hotrod ;)

-- Bill, Yo!......in Brooklyn & Steel City :)

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BroncoBrian

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#15 posted 08-09-2018 07:28 PM

Great setup Bill. Serious shop envy…

-- My fake plants died because I did not pretend to water them.

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