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Forum topic by WudWrkr posted 07-17-2011 11:34 PM 1935 views 0 times favorited 2 replies Add to Favorites Watch
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07-17-2011 11:34 PM

Topic tags/keywords: bartley box leopard wood

I decided to try Bartley’s Gel Varnish on my next project which will be a box made of Leopard Wood. I googled a supplier and came up with Kilian Hardware from which I ordered a pint of Bartley Gel Varnish. A few days later I recieved a pint of Bartley Gel Stain in Clear Satin – the invoice said “Bartley Gel Varnish”. I sent an e-mail to them asking if this was a mistake or a substitute and the rather short response I got back was, “The Clear Satin is the Gel Varnish”.

Well, obviously Gel Stain is Gel Stain, but I suspect they were out of the varnish and the clear satin stain can be substituted. My concern is that it will, even though it is a clear stain, change the color of the wood. Anyone have any experience along these lines?


-- Steve - "Dang, no matter how many times I run it through the planer it's still too thin!"

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#1 posted 07-18-2011 12:03 AM

According to information on the Bartley website, I would say they are not the same, “The Gel Stains are dry to a light touch in seconds and the Gel Varnish is tack-free in minutes”.

Intermixing Stains and Varnish
Bartley Gel Stains can be intermixed in any combination to create an almost infinite number of colors. The Bartley Gel Varnish can be mixed with the stains to make lighter colors. In both cases, mix well.”

-- Best regards, Jack -- I may not be good, but I'm slow --

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#2 posted 07-18-2011 05:50 PM

Thanks for the response Jack. I sent an e-mail to Bartley a little over a week ago, asking this same question. Their person that handles that sort of thing was on vacation and I just recieved a response today:

”Seagrave Coatings is using the same label for the stain and varnish. as long as the one you received says Clear in the color box, it is the varnish. Sorry for the confusion.” (Note: Seagrave Coatings is Bartley’s manufacturer).

Unless something has changed since the can I recieved was labeled the label is not the same because one says “Varnish” and one says “Stain”. Having said that, my can of stain has had a small label added to the “color box” which does say “Clear Satin”. So the response I recieved from my supplier was correct, but with no explaination I’m not slapping that stuff on my leopardwood!

From what I’ve gathered from the internet (and from this site as well) Seagrave is (or maybe has??) phased out production of the Bartley brand. My assuption, based upon that information, the explaination from Bartley, and the “can in my hand” (with apologies to Dr. Seuss) is that SeaGrave had more Gel Stain labels than they had Gel Varnish labels!!

And I thought I’d be getting away from this kind of nonsense when I retired…hmmph!! ;^)

-- Steve - "Dang, no matter how many times I run it through the planer it's still too thin!"

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