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Forum topic by SawMueller posted 07-28-2018 01:26 AM 612 views 0 times favorited 14 replies Add to Favorites Watch
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SawMueller

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07-28-2018 01:26 AM

Topic tags/keywords: im very new to turning literally just opened my first lathe 2 days ago so im not sure what to expect with turning tools is this kind of edge normal on a new bowl gouge from psi

-- Dylan in St. Louis - SawMueller.com


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Picken5

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#1 posted 07-28-2018 04:51 AM

Dylan,

I’m pretty much a “greenhorn” myself when it comes to turning. The end of your new gouge doesn’t look unusual to me — it’s probably fine. I do know that there’s all types of “grinds” (i.e the angle and shape of how the end of the gouge is ground) — and different turners have different preferences depending on what they’re trying to accomplish. As you’re probably figuring out, the lathe you’re working with is just the start of the monetary journey you’re starting on. Besides turning tools, there are a ton of sharping tools available and requisite skills you’ll be learning. And then there’s chucks, jaws, gauges, you name it. It’s a very addicting hobby that I’m sure you’ll enjoy for years.

-- Howard - "Time spent making sawdust is not deducted from one's lifetime." - old Scottish proverb

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OSU55

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#2 posted 07-28-2018 05:36 AM

Yes it is normal for tools from PSI and any value tool supplier. It is not an issue. While $100 tools may come with a sharp edge, the tool will have to be resharpened possibly on the 1st turning. The shape and edge sharpness of a new tool is largely irrelevant – all have to sharpened, and the ground to the desired shape using your chosen method, which probably wont line up exactly with what the mfr did. As a newbie you made a good choice with PSIs BB tools – you wont mind grinding up $25 tools learning how to sharpen and trying different grinds vs a $100 tool. While they wont hold the edge as well as other steels, the M2 hss from psi works just fine.

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SawMueller

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#3 posted 07-28-2018 01:33 PM

Thanks guys!
The only comparison I had was my carving tools that come razor sharp, so I was a bit surprised.
Now to learn (and buy what’s needed) to sharpen!

-- Dylan in St. Louis - SawMueller.com

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gwilki

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#4 posted 07-28-2018 03:08 PM

As the others have said, the profile of the grind seems reasonable, but your pics seem to show nicks at the point. Maybe it’s just my monitor. If there are nicks, that is not reasonable.

-- Grant Wilkinson, Ottawa ON

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SawMueller

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#5 posted 07-28-2018 03:49 PM

Yeah, that was more of what I meant to show. There are heavy nicks in the nose.

-- Dylan in St. Louis - SawMueller.com

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SawMueller

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#6 posted 07-28-2018 03:50 PM

If I’m going to be grinding anyway though, will I be able to just grind these out?

-- Dylan in St. Louis - SawMueller.com

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gwilki

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#7 posted 07-28-2018 06:42 PM

Yes, they will grind out easily. Clearly, a new gouge should not be like that though.

-- Grant Wilkinson, Ottawa ON

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#8 posted 08-09-2018 09:37 PM

I would return a gouge that came that way. If you grind it off you’ll have to grind down past the crack and then reshape it. That’s a tough task for a beginner.

-- Matt Bielenberg- turning student https://www.etsy.com/shop/Turning4SchoolMoney?ref=search_shop_redirect https://www.facebook.com/Turning-4-School-Money-213112446187330/?modal=admin_todo_tour

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OiBowyer

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#9 posted 08-09-2018 09:38 PM

I would return a gouge that came that way. If you grind it off you’ll have to grind down past the crack and then reshape it. That’s a tough task for a beginner.

-- Matt Bielenberg- turning student https://www.etsy.com/shop/Turning4SchoolMoney?ref=search_shop_redirect https://www.facebook.com/Turning-4-School-Money-213112446187330/?modal=admin_todo_tour

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Lee

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#10 posted 08-09-2018 11:57 PM

Yep, you have a lot of grinding to clean up that gouge, might want to return it like was said. That being said, I highly recommend the wolverine sharpening jig. The wolverine II is easier to control the tool because it keeps the gouge centered on the wheel so it cant fall off the side, ask me how I know this LOL.

-- Colombia Custom Woodworking

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#11 posted 08-10-2018 05:41 PM

If it were mine, I would just sharpen it and use it. Returning it to PSI is, IMHO, too much of a hassle (my experience with their CS has not been positive) and they’d probably just send you another one with similar tool marks.

-- Gerry -- "I don't plan to ever really grow up ... I'm just going to learn how to act in public!"

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Karda

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#12 posted 08-10-2018 06:49 PM

Hi, the first PSI tool I got had a damaged skew point I called and they sent a new one, they didn’t want the other back. I am quite new to turning. Did you get a chuck, if you didn’t get one you will eventually anyway. When I bought mine I wish I had listen to everybody telling me to get one. The other issue is sharpening. lots of advice here. I sharpen my gouges on a belt sander the rest I platform sharpen on a grinder. Hope this helps

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Underdog

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#13 posted 08-10-2018 07:06 PM

I would not return it.

NO turning gouges are ready when you first get them.

You’re going to have to sharpen that gouge all the time anyway.
Get a good grinder, the Wolverine sharpening jig, and the Varigrind jig.

Then look at the Doug Thompson Gouge diagrams.

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Karda

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#14 posted 08-11-2018 04:26 AM

I would recommend a slow speed grinder, they are less likely to burn your tools, you still have to be careful though

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