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Forum topic by Lance posted 07-10-2011 04:00 PM 8558 views 0 times favorited 29 replies Add to Favorites Watch
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Lance

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07-10-2011 04:00 PM

Topic tags/keywords: table saw router table tablesaw router

A little background first….... I’m literally 3 months into woodworking and buying all my first tools, this is going to be a hobby of mine but I do want the accuracy to eventually do some “fine” woodworking. One of the first tools I bought was the Ridgid R4512 from HD. I though this would be a great first saw for the money but on my second project the saw ran into problems. I was cutting 8 quarter inch hard maple for my vise and it had the hardest time cutting through the 12” long stock, nevertheless it is 3/4 HP so what did expect! remember, i’m 3 months into this and I was trying to avoid learning curves that would end up costing me money in upgrades, too late I think!

I would like to get my shop up and running ASAP but I don’t want to sacrifice quality of tools just so I can have it up and running 3 months from now. I like the Ridgid tools and I though the table saw would be a lasting investment but the more research I did and the accessories I wanted to add on to it is when I noticed I need an upgrade.

What I want from my saw:

- enough power to cut hardwoods
- I want it on casters
- I want to add the INCRA TS-LS 32” Joinery System w/ the left side router table ( will the motor hangover be an issue with a router lift installation down the road? ) IDK?????
- HTC boom arm
- effective and efficient dust collection ( I live in OKC and the wind blows hard…...dust hurts when its in your eyes!!!)
- I don’t want to spend 2k

I don’t want to spend a bunch of money on my saw because I need a couple more big purchases to get my shop up and running like I want it. Take a look at my workshop and you can kind of see where I’m at in the process.

http://lumberjocks.com/Lance09/workshop

I have my Ridgid Saw for sale on Craiglist, should I take it off and keep the saw or sale it and upgrade to the Grizzly Hybrid?????

-- Lance, Hook'em HORNS! ""V""


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gfadvm

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#1 posted 07-10-2011 04:14 PM

Lance – Make the short drive to Jenks [1 1/2 hours], test drive my Grizz 715 and see how my shop/tools are set up. They have all seen a lot of use and I’d be happy to “review” them for you. If this sounds like a plan send me a pm for phone and directions. Andy

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Lance

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#2 posted 07-10-2011 04:29 PM

Andy, I might have to make a trip out there someday, it doesn’t hurt to have a mentor in the hobby I want to become experienced in. So overall you have been very happy with the purchase? Where did you buy it from and how much did you pay? Grizzly’s site is the only place I found it at. Take a look at my future shop and please give me feedback on the other future purchases I want to make, maybe you can keep me from upgrading down the road!! lol

Thanks again Andy, I’ll keep in touch and one of these weekends I’ll have to make a trip out there.

-- Lance, Hook'em HORNS! ""V""

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gfadvm

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#3 posted 07-10-2011 04:54 PM

I bought my saw new from Grizz and have been really happy with it. I dont use anything but Diablo blades from HD which are great for the $. Look at my shop tour and pm me with questions about any tools you are contemplating. But a trip to Tulsa would be better!

-- " I'll try to be nicer, if you'll try to be smarter" gfadvm

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#4 posted 07-10-2011 05:30 PM

until you get that new saw with more power, you could still use yours. when making a cut, do it in stages….. a little at a time. each time raising the blade a little higher. hard Maple is just that——-hard wood.. :)

-- Roger from KY. Work/Play/Travel Safe. Kentuk55@bellsouth.net

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tommyt654

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#5 posted 07-10-2011 06:15 PM

Lance, Welcome to the forum, All hardwood will be tougher to cut with that factory blade,might I suggest you find a good thin kerf blade such as a Forrest,CMT and others and get rid of the crap they put on from the factory. I think you see a big difference. But I would still buy the Grizz as its a much better saw for the money and look at their Polar Bear series as a cheaper option,Tommy , http://www.grizzly.com/products/10-Hybrid-Table-Saw-with-Riving-Knife-Polar-Bear-Series-/G0715P

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#6 posted 07-10-2011 07:57 PM

Hi Lance, I did some research on the 4512 and I believe that it has 1 1/2 HP. I’ve got a 4511 with 1 3/4 and don’t have any issues with power. I too use Freud Diablo thin kerf blades and have no issues at all. If you’re using the blade supplied with the saw, then throw it away, mine was junk.

Before I trashed/sold a new saw, I’d invest in a $40-50 blade to see if that might be the problem, it was with my saw. I didn’t like the accuracy of my fence, but I always measure from the fence to the front and back tooth anyway when I’m doing precision work (even the guy I buy wood from who owns a 5 hp Powermatic with a Biesemeyer fence doesn’t rely on the tape on his fence). In the past two weeks, I’ve joined, planed, and ripped about 250 board feet of rough sawn quarter sawn red maple and never had one issue with my saw’s power.

It’s your money, but I’d try a different blade.

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RKW

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#7 posted 07-10-2011 08:04 PM

i recommend more horse power and better blade. Ridgid is ok, i have the same jointer as you and i have a 13 in planer. However, someday i will upgrade those two tools. I really like steel city’s line of tools. I love my t.s., it has a 1&3/4 h. motor. That combined with a good blade has served me well. I have around $1100 in it. I think the saw was 800 and the fence upgrade 300.

As far as grizzly is concerned, i have no experience with them. If im not mistaken, the only place to buy grizzly is from grizzly. They do not sale to retailers. I hear their stuff is good and you can get more saw for your dollar. Ive considered one of their bandsaws but ive decided to stick with steel city. I hope this helps.

And one more thing, it helps to occasionally clean your saw blade. A soft wire brush and soap and water works well. Any time my saw starts leaving burn marks or starts having issues cutting. I clean the blade and its almost like having a brand new blade. (It does need to be a quality blade) Freud makes really good blades but you are going to fork out some cash.

-- RKWoods

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#8 posted 07-10-2011 08:05 PM

Far be it from me to convince someone not to buy a new saw (or any tool), but I don’t think the differences between these two saws are significant enough to justify a change at this point of your woodworking endeavors. While the G0715P certainly adds a few “nice to have features” like cast iron wings, nicer fence (IMO), and a full enclosure, the motor power, drive system, trunnion mounting, etc., put the two saws in a similar category. The biggest factors in the performance of these two saws are blade alignment and blade selection. If one of these two saws enjoys a significant performance advantage over the other, it’d likely be due to one of those two factors, as opposed to motor power or design differences.

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RKW

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#9 posted 07-10-2011 08:05 PM

If you do decide to upgrade your saw, do no short change yourself. You will find yourself performing more and more operations on the saw that you didnt even know could be done on a t.s.

-- RKWoods

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Lance

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#10 posted 07-10-2011 08:09 PM

elroy and tommyt654, I think your right!!! I need to invest into a better blade! I’ll have to research the CMT, Forrest and the Diablo blades. I never really thought about the blade, but it makes since now, the powers there it just needs help.

Thanks guys!

-- Lance, Hook'em HORNS! ""V""

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Lance

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#11 posted 07-10-2011 08:27 PM

Scott, thanks for the feedback. My one concern between them was my future add-on’s. Would the Ridgid be able to hold up a router table, and support the TS-LS fence system along with a boom arm, structurally the casters and body don’t look that solid in my opinion. The table saw needs to be moved out of the way with all of these add-on’s when I’m not working so my wife can get out of her car.

Randy, thanks for the hint with cleaning the blade. I’ll have to try that method out once I get a quality blade.

I’m still 50-50 on the upgrade, I still need a couple bigger purchases before I can start spitting out projects so there’s a lot to consider.

-- Lance, Hook'em HORNS! ""V""

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gfadvm

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#12 posted 07-10-2011 08:37 PM

Lance – The Diablo blades are Home Depot items at under $30. The others will run $70 to $100. Try the 24 tooth Diablo rip blade first, then add the 40 tooth combo if you think you need it. I use zero clearance inserts and get very clean crosscuts with the rip blade.

-- " I'll try to be nicer, if you'll try to be smarter" gfadvm

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Lance

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#13 posted 07-10-2011 08:49 PM

Andy, where do you get a zero clearance insert for the ridgid? It’s like 1/8” thick so making one is out of the question i think.

-- Lance, Hook'em HORNS! ""V""

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elroyy

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#14 posted 07-10-2011 08:49 PM

Lance, I found a 10” 30t glue line rip blade on ebay for around $30. Paid a little more on amazon for a good 60t crosscut blade and both are awesome. My wife calls me the king of bargain hunters and I probably spend so much time bargain hunting that, assigning a value to my time, I’d be better off paying retail. I’ll chime in w/ gfadvm and say that zero clearance inserts help a lot, too. I’ve made all mine from 1/2 oak and they fit close enough for govt work.

Good luck!

-- "Without lethality, it's just a parade."

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gfadvm

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#15 posted 07-10-2011 08:55 PM

I dont know where you can buy one. I make mine and myplate is also 1/8” . Id have to show you but if you search LJ for zero clearance inserts I think you find shop made ones for your saw

-- " I'll try to be nicer, if you'll try to be smarter" gfadvm

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