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07-11-2018 02:47 PM

So I want to purchase Charles Neil Pre-Color Conditioner from Charles website , but the shipping charge is $17.60 to ship to Las Vegas, NV

Is there another place to purchase this product, with a less to possible no shipping charge?

I don’t mind paying for shipping, bit a $17 charge for a $20 item seems kinda rediculous.

Is everyone else paying this steep of a charge or does everyone just live close to him with less shipping charge

Let me know if any other souces.

-- Thank You Trevor OBrion


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#1 posted 07-11-2018 02:57 PM

Unfortunately , we cant control shipping, and i agree its high.
They base it on weight and the first 3 or 4 lbs are what get you .

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#2 posted 07-11-2018 03:42 PM

I don’t know what is in this “pre color conditioner”. I do know what is probably in it though – nothing but shellac. You can achieve what you want (which is most likely controlling blotchiness when staining) by thinning shellac with alcohol and applying it to the wood surface. Shellac is one of the very best primers there is (http://www.zinsseruk.com/product/b-i-n/). Zinsser also sells shellac through all of the major “big box” hardware stores like Home Depot and Lowes. Just get some shellac, thin it to half shellac, half alcohol, and apply. The shellac is clear and it soaks into the wood surface and keeps the end grain of wood from soaking up more stain than the flat grain. Blotchiness is caused in some wood surfaces by a wavy grain making the wood surface have spots of end grain showing among the flat grain. Shellac seals this surface just enough to control the blotchiness when staining. Note: shellac sands well. It tends to”“chalk” into a dry powder when sanding rather than clogging up the sand paper. Shellac is great stuff! You need to try it. It dries extremely fast allowing re-coating in about 15 minutes and looks beautiful. It is not as durable as polyurethane and as alcohol is its solvent, it has a reputation among furniture finishers for being marred by damp alcoholic drinks being set upon its surface. It does make a wonderful and quick drying finish to bring a surface to a shiny luster. Then add a couple of coats of clear polyurethane over it for wear and protection.

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#3 posted 07-11-2018 05:40 PM

I don’t think Charles’s conditioner has any shellac in it and I don’t think the two do exactly the same job. I could be wrong and defer to him for the details.

All I know is that his product is truly great. The shipping $ stinks, yes, but it’s not like you get a thimble full. You have enough for multiple projects and it lasts for years on the shelf. If you’re building something nice out of, say, cherry, do you want it to have a crappy finish? I like to be frugal, I do not like to flush money down the toilet but I don’t think you’re doing that with his conditioner. To me it’s worth the cash.

I have wondered why, given his Woodcraft ties, that place doesn’t sell it?

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#4 posted 07-11-2018 06:07 PM

Travis,
As to the woodcraft thing, its simple… mark up…. we dont make alot off of it , the jar alone cost over 1.00
and retailers want 40 % or more, that would put it it in the 25.00 + range
but the kicker is they still want us to “drop ship’ so you still have the shipping .
We do make a concentrate that you add an equal amount of water
meaning 1 qt of concentrate make 2 qts , as stated after you get past the minimum weigh shipping drops alot,.
I feel sure this thread will get all the ” alternatives” and thats fine
Just be sure to test first.
The other thing , on ever jar is my email and if needed , we can have a phone conversation .

We built this product simply by word of mouth , so along with it comes Me , I want you successful , and I will help

End of story

CN

BTW there is no shellac in it

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#5 posted 07-11-2018 07:54 PM



So I want to purchase Charles Neil Pre-Color Conditioner from Charles website , but the shipping charge is $17.60 to ship to Las Vegas, NV

Is there another place to purchase this product, with a less to possible no shipping charge?

I don t mind paying for shipping, bit a $17 charge for a $20 item seems kinda rediculous.

Is everyone else paying this steep of a charge or does everyone just live close to him with less shipping charge

Let me know if any other souces.

- trevor7428

you could always see if there are any members local to Charles that might be willing to buy it and then ship it to you. I’m over 2 hrs way unfortunately.

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#6 posted 07-11-2018 08:04 PM

Charles, thanks for that info.

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#7 posted 07-11-2018 08:23 PM

I love CN’s product. Before that I used hot hide glue in hot water @ 1 to 2 ratio. Let it dry overnight and lightly go over it with 400 paper. I have used it on fir, pine and polar with great results.
I ordered 2 of the Pre-Color conditioner a long time ago and have yet to use it up.

-- Jerry

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#8 posted 07-11-2018 09:14 PM



Travis,
As to the woodcraft thing, its simple… mark up…. we dont make alot off of it , the jar alone cost over 1.00
and retailers want 40 % or more, that would put it it in the 25.00 + range
but the kicker is they still want us to “drop ship so you still have the shipping .
We do make a concentrate that you add an equal amount of water
meaning 1 qt of concentrate make 2 qts , as stated after you get past the minimum weigh shipping drops alot,.
I feel sure this thread will get all the ” alternatives” and thats fine
Just be sure to test first.
The other thing , on ever jar is my email and if needed , we can have a phone conversation .

We built this product simply by word of mouth , so along with it comes Me , I want you successful , and I will help

End of story

CN

BTW there is no shellac in it

- CharlesNeil

When I first saw the shipping charge this morning, I clicked contact us on your webpage. I tried to call that #, but doesn’t seem to be a good # anymore

-- Thank You Trevor OBrion

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