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Forum topic by Karda posted 07-09-2018 11:06 PM 909 views 0 times favorited 18 replies Add to Favorites Watch
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07-09-2018 11:06 PM

Hi, I have been trying to learn the skew, but when I try to make a V grove I get a spiral thing and I can’t figure out what I am doing wrong. I try to imitate the cut on the right side which I can do right on the left side and i can get it. I have watched a number of videos but they don’t help. here is a picture of my latest attempt. Thanks


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#1 posted 07-10-2018 12:03 AM

Without seeing what you are doing it is hard to tell other than you are losing bevel support for sure.
Are you cutting the the long point (toe) for the V groove? Most folks use the short point (heel) for rolling a bead but for a V groove use the long point so that you can see where you are cutting.
I believe Brendan Stemp has two very good videos on the skew if you haven’t watched them. If you can’t find them on youtube I can find them for you. Richard Raffan also has one of catches and there is an Alan Lacer at a demo which shows much of what he presented in his video that was sold retail.

-- We cannot solve our problems with the same thinking we used when we created them. Albert Einstein

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#2 posted 07-10-2018 12:06 AM

I found this one helpful. https://youtu.be/KfeLAHQSbqk

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#3 posted 07-10-2018 12:24 AM

the frustrating thing is I try to do the cuts in the videos but they don’t work for me why. Why can’t I cut the left side of a V but I don’t have a problem with the right side

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#4 posted 07-10-2018 12:26 AM

I like the way this turner describes tool operation-

https://youtu.be/_2ztQKZbCIY

Here’s another turner who does some very technical explanations of how turning tools work-

https://www.youtube.com/user/BHavensWoodworker/videos

-- Lew- Time traveler. Purveyor of the Universe's finest custom rolling pins.

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#5 posted 07-10-2018 12:29 AM

I improved once I rounded the bottom of my skew.

-- Shooting down the walls of heartache. Bang bang. I am. The warrior.

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#6 posted 07-10-2018 12:47 AM

You have to always make sure that you always keep contact with only the lower half of the bevel/edge as the skew is presented to the piece. Shoot for the lower 1/4-1/3 until it becomes second nature. When contact happens above the halfway point, it will pivot the skew and you get a catch. You have to change the angle of the skew as you get deeper to maintain that lower half contact. It is probably just more natural on the right side than it is for the left so it is probably just going to take some practice. Also, make sure that your tool rest is not too low.

Cut some 2×4’s into 2×2 and practice, practice, practice.

-- Nathan, TX -- Hire the lazy man. He may not do as much work but that's because he will find a better way.

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#7 posted 07-10-2018 02:04 AM

thanks for the n’t seen links, the Mike peace one I have, I tried again after watching a video changed the cut worked better on the right but i coild not start the cut on the left. I present the skew the same way on the left as right but it won’t cut on the left

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#8 posted 07-10-2018 04:33 AM

I must be missing something in the translation. I have never heard of anyone using the heel of a skew to make a V cut. You simply lower (or push) the long point (toe) into the wood. You can’t cut very deep because it will stall quickly.
Then continue the cuts from each side.
The first is Brendan Stemp…. about 3 minutes in (This is part 2 of his videos on the skew and they are both good).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v_KTlMwnNpc

The next is John Lucas … about 3 minutes in. (making V cuts to start a bead). To make a deeper V cut just keep widening the V.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vA91yJ9KhKU

You only use the very tip. If you tilt the blade where the cutting edge makes contact higher it will skate/spiral/catch.

-- We cannot solve our problems with the same thinking we used when we created them. Albert Einstein

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LeeMills

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#9 posted 07-10-2018 01:00 PM

Lew brought up Brian Havens and his is probably the best.
Here is a like to his “point cut” with the skew.
Note that only very thin slivers of wood are removed at the time. Very wide and it will just bog down. He show what caused the ‘skates” most clearly in the shoulder cut. You also have to reposition the handle wide as you move from one side to the other to align the angle of blade with the direction of the cut.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=em3il2ZY_0c

-- We cannot solve our problems with the same thinking we used when we created them. Albert Einstein

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#10 posted 07-10-2018 02:38 PM

sharp tools work better,

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#11 posted 07-10-2018 02:51 PM

Just a thought…make sure that the edge is sharpened such that it is centered between the sides of the skew. If it is not, one of the bevels will be a different angle. It might still be useable like that but you’ll have to hold tool at a different angle on one side compared to the other to ride the bevel.

BTW, in my note above about keeping contact with only the lower half of the edge, that is relative to the tool rest so it will be a different part of the edge depending upon whether you have the toe (point) down or up.

-- Nathan, TX -- Hire the lazy man. He may not do as much work but that's because he will find a better way.

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Karda

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#12 posted 07-10-2018 10:54 PM

thanks for the links, they will help I just have to learn to watch the details. Part of my problem is my curved skew. I like them but they are hard to sharpen. that is a lot of my problem is sharpening the edge will seem good but not cut good

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#13 posted 07-10-2018 11:21 PM

Also make sure the tool handle is inline with your arm and shoulder. If your right handed move left so the tool is at 90 deg. My grand son was having the exact same problem and I noticed he was standing directly in front of the cut and his arm was crossing his body causing the left side of the cut to spiral because the tool handle was not at 90 deg. hope this helps.

-- Colombia Custom Woodworking

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#14 posted 07-11-2018 03:25 AM

thanks Lee I will watch out for arm position.I just watched one of the Mike Peace videos. I see some things that I can change

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#15 posted 07-11-2018 11:04 PM

Perhaps this video playlist on the skew might help. https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLG3S-gdoXeXVKh-_mNSNp4y6kV5W3u4aL I did a skew demo for my club.

-- MPax, Atlanta

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