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Forum topic by DantheWoodworker posted 07-03-2011 03:47 AM 3886 views 1 time favorited 12 replies Add to Favorites Watch
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DantheWoodworker

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07-03-2011 03:47 AM

Hi guys, I just started on this forum and have found a ton of great information. I know this question about which table saw is be for me has been asked a million times, but I am just not sure. At the moment are shop consists of a bandsaw, router table and various other hand held tools, but we are in desperate need of a table saw. It has been very frustrating trying to get a straight and smooth rip cuts on a bandsaw We are planing to do mostly furniture projects and boxes. We have 220v in the garage so that is not an issue. Me and my Dad have been looking at either a hybrid saw or a low end cabinet saw. We are looking to spend $800 to $1000 ( may be a little more if it’s worth it). We have looked at Grizzly model G0715P or a used cabinet saw. Thanks Dan…..


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DantheWoodworker

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#1 posted 07-03-2011 05:24 PM

We also have limited room because my Dad wants to be able to park the car.

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Kevin

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#2 posted 07-03-2011 06:05 PM

If looking at grizzly and you want to spend around $1000 maybe a bit more then I would suggest these three models.

GO690
http://www.grizzly.com/products/10-3HP-220V-Cabinet-Table-Saw-with-Riving-Knife/G0690

G1023RL
http://www.grizzly.com/products/10-3-HP-220V-Cabinet-Left-Tilting-Table-Saw/G1023RL

G1023RLW
http://www.grizzly.com/products/10-3-HP-220V-Cabinet-Left-Tilting-Table-Saw/G1023RLW

I have the G1023SL which the RL is the predecessor to the SL version. The RLW has a built in router table which makes it pretty convenient also.

Main thing is to remember, no matter which brand, model of TS you buy you will more than likely have to make adjustments to fine tune it.

I’ve seen a few powermatic TS’s at a local woodshop and they are in really good condition, but I find my fence slides a lot easier on my grizzly. Both have the same type fence, maybe it’s just I keep regular maintenance on mine more often.

If I were to find a really good Powermatic along that price line I would be tempted to buy it also.

Kevin

-- Williamsburg, KY

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DantheWoodworker

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#3 posted 07-03-2011 07:41 PM

thanks for the info

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richgreer

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#4 posted 07-03-2011 11:28 PM

I am not saying this is the right thing for you to do, but it is something you might want to consider – a plunge saw in lieu of a table saw. I have the Festool TS-55 plunge saw. In retrospect, for my work, I may have never gotten a table saw if I had purchased the plunge saw first.

Virtually everything you can do with a table saw, you can do with a plunge saw with a track. The cut is as clean and precise as any table saw.

It does offer a different way of doing things and it may not be right for everyone. I only suggest that you give this some consideration.

Note that, in addition to Festool, DeWalt and Makita now offer plunge saws and the prices are quite consistent (and much less than a table saw).

-- Rich, Cedar Rapids, IA - I'm a woodworker. I don't create beauty, I reveal it.

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DantheWoodworker

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#5 posted 07-04-2011 12:18 AM

Thanks for the idea Rich. The problem with that for me is that I cut a lot of thin pieces that you can’t balance on that type of saw. Also I will use the table saw for various joinery.

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knotscott

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#6 posted 07-04-2011 01:02 AM

The 3hp cabinet saw is considerably more substantial than the G0715P. The G0715P will suit most needs if aligned well and fitted with the right blade, but since you have 220v, the G1023RL or G0690 offer a lot more saw for a little more money….it just makes a lot of sense to me if the additional cost doesn’t cause other problems.

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EvilNuff

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#7 posted 07-04-2011 01:11 AM

I’m going to say the opposite of Rich. I actually did get a TS55 before a table saw and wish I had gotten the table saw first. The TS55 is fantastic and the cuts are of stellar quailty. However, it simply cannot do small pieces like a table saw (with push sticks for safety of course) can.

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DantheWoodworker

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#8 posted 07-04-2011 02:58 AM

thanks for the help

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Loren

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#9 posted 07-04-2011 03:10 AM

A lot of people buying a table saw get too much fence. Those 52”
fences take up a lot of space and The only time I ever have used a
table saw to cut a sheet of 4×8 ply in half is when cutting 1/8” or
1/4” paneling, not cabinet ply. You can get by with a pretty
small table saw for joinery and fine cuts actually. The old Delta 9”
tilt-table saws are very accurate and compact.

For breaking up sheet goods a circular saw and guide is easier to
manage by yourself and involves a lot less floor space. I prefer to
use a vertical saw for breaking down sheet goods and even for
finished cuts if the saw is accurate enough.

The Ez-Smart people are running a sale on their new ripping guide
for $170 shipped and it strikes me as a good design that can get
you out of having a big table saw hogging up your space if you
don’t want one.

You can do pretty well with only a 24” or 30” fence and the saw is
a lot less of a beast at that size.

In fact, the used market is always full of people trying to unload
saws with giant fence setups eating up floor space.

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Brad_Nailor

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#10 posted 07-04-2011 03:39 PM

My two cents..
I was about to buy a Grizzly GO690, when I stumbled over a fantastic deal on a like new 10 year old Unisaw with a 50” Biesmeyer fence…for less than the Grizz. Ya, the saw is bigger than I was planning, but I like to build cabinets, and I like the long fence, even though I have a small 1 car garage shop. I was originally going to go the 30” fence route and use my router with a compression bit and a straightedge to break down full sheets. Even with the larger fence I still have to break large sheets down.

My saw doesn’t have a few of the nicer features that the 690 did..mainly the riving knife, but I think I got a great deal on a better , but older saw. Plus the guy I bought it from, made like three picture frames with it in ten years. So I would suggest keeping your eye on Craigslist for a great deal. If your set on going new, the GO690 is a great deal for a full featured saw in the price range you want to spend. Grizzley also has a few models below that one that arent as nice but are still solid saws for less money. As far as contractor style saws go if you think that will get you buy you can get some very nice saws for the kind of money you want to spend. The extra power you gain from a full sized cabinet saw is considerable, but that’s a judgment call based on your needs.

Hybrid saws are an option, but you have to check them out real good and see how they are built. As my old buddy woodchuck used to say, “It’s all about the trunnions”..You want them to be mounted to the cabinet of the saw..allot of hybrids have them mounted to the top…no good.
Also, I am hoping Knottscott will chime in..he is a wealth of knowledge on table saws..

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knotscott

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#11 posted 07-04-2011 05:30 PM

Here are some pics that I didn’t have a chance to post last night (I’m out of town) that might help illustrate the huge difference when you jump to the industrial cabinet saws from a hybrid.

Trunnions of the G1023RL:

G0690:

The older G1023 trunnions….similar to many older cabinet saws:

Here are the trunnions of the former G0478 hybrid that are similar to the Jet and many other hybrids with table mounted trunnions:

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Bertha

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#12 posted 07-04-2011 05:33 PM

I’m with Loren. I’ve got 52 and usually only use the extra rails to get my fence out of the way for my crosscut sled. My next saw will have short rails.

-- My dad and I built a 65 chev pick up.I killed trannys in that thing for some reason-Hog

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