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Forum topic by Don W posted 06-26-2011 10:01 PM 2477 views 0 times favorited 10 replies Add to Favorites Watch
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Don W

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06-26-2011 10:01 PM

This Sargent 4306 Knuckle Joint Block Plane is in a local antique shop. The only information I can find is on sargent-planes.com. It list it and between the 2 types it could be worth between $40 and $400 dollars. Anybody have any ideas what it may be worth with the original box. I have no idea how to tell what type a Sargent plane is.

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#1 posted 06-26-2011 10:14 PM

It’s desirable. I know that much. I ignore planes in the original box because I buy users and don’t have the space for interesting boxes. As a Stanley dude, I can’t help you on this one. What do they want for it? Does it speak to you? I’m suspecting that it might. If that’s the case, you deserve it, DW. Tell your Wife Al said you could have it:)

-- My dad and I built a 65 chev pick up.I killed trannys in that thing for some reason-Hog

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#2 posted 06-27-2011 01:41 AM

It didn’t really speak to me. It would have been a monetary purchase. It was in a tool box as an all in one price. The box was $120. I thought if the plane was worth $80 I’d think about it. If the plane was worth $200, I’d buy it. If it spoke to me, it would have come home.

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#3 posted 06-27-2011 02:27 AM

It does not look like it is in that great of condition. I would think something on the high end of your price range would be in much better condition. You might also search completed auctions on ebay for one or look at some of the used tool dealer sites. Let me know if you need links to the dealer sites…

-- We must guard our enthusiasm as we would our life - James Krenov

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#4 posted 06-27-2011 02:35 AM

I did look at some of the dealer sites I know of. I saw a few 5306s but not 4306s. I also tried the closed actions on ebay. I didn’t see anything. What do you have for dealers?

-- Master hand plane hoarder. - http://timetestedtools.net

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#5 posted 06-27-2011 02:45 AM

This the list from my handplane reference blog

Used tool sales sites

Rose Antique Tools – All I can say is wow. They have a pretty good selection. Also some good reference information.

Tool Exchange – Australian used tool vendor.

Hans Brunner Tools (Australia) – Lots of parts and tools in general.

Bob Kaune - Antique & Used Tools – Lots of planes and plane parts.

http://brasscityrecords.com/ – Walt Quadrato

http://www.sydnassloot.com/ – Sanford Moss

http://www.workingtools.biz/ – Tom Bruce

-- We must guard our enthusiasm as we would our life - James Krenov

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#6 posted 06-27-2011 05:23 AM

Don, I go by the saying “its only worth what your willing to pay for it”... From what I have seen tool dealers and price guides have prices that are much higher then what the items actually sell for. It is in rough shape for 120 dollars.

-- Dan - "Collector of Hand Planes"

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#7 posted 06-27-2011 01:39 PM

I agree Dan. I guess the biggest question out of this is how to tell what type a Sargent plane is. There is a lot of information around about how to type Stanley planes. It has taken me some time and some reading, but at least its researchable. I haven’t found anything on Sargent. This is just part of my quest for knowledge.

I still would rather not pay a lot more than its worth. The $120 is for the toolbox. The plane come with it. I think I’ve decided top let it go, at least until information floats to the top I should do otherwise.

-- Master hand plane hoarder. - http://timetestedtools.net

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#8 posted 06-27-2011 06:00 PM

I have a Sargent block plane thats smaller (Stanley 103 size) that I got off ebay a little while ago and I think I won the auction for just under 30 dollars. Thats a bit higher price then what the Stanley 103s sell for and other smaller block planes. They are more rare and don’t come up as often but I don’t think I would pay 120 for the box and plane. I am sure the seller has put a higher price then what it is worth.

I went to a local antique mall a few months ago and it was basically a building with a bunch of different vendors selling antiques. There were a number of vendors at this place selling tools and I was excited to see them, however once I saw the prices they were asking I realized antique shops were not for me. There was one vendor who had a lot of Stanley planes and he was asking over 100 dollars for a rather common type #5 and well over 200 for a #8. I get there are overhead expenses when selling from a store but I still thought everything was very overpriced.

-- Dan - "Collector of Hand Planes"

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#9 posted 06-27-2011 06:04 PM

I’d say $20 tops. I’m harsh in my evaluations because I have been
buying and selling planes for many years and have seen big
disparities between seller’s assessments of value and actual selling
prices at auctions. You must buy low if you don’t want to lose
money on common planes when you resell.

The rarified top values are for perfect planes in perfect boxes – rare
NOS out of hardware store basements, basically – since the concept
of collecting planes is relatively new and back in the day it would
never occur to anyone to keep a plane in like new condition in order
to resell it in 100 years.

Antique dealers generally way overvalue common tools. If you paid
more than $20 or so you wouldn’t be able to resell it for what you
paid unless you had your own antique shop and made a lucky sale.

The plane and box are in poor aesthetic condition.

I have one of these planes, and a Stanley knuckle joint plane too –
the Sargent is badged Craftsman. I got it for about five dollars on
ebay.

I prefer the Stanley however because my pinkie finger gets caught
in the knuckle mechanism of the Sargent. This is an annoyance because
my fingernail is grown long for playing guitar – it might not bother
you at all. In my opinion the Sargent design is different from the
Stanley just for patent reasons. The Stanley pattern is sleeker and
feels really good in the hand.

In terms of feel in the palm, both are nice planes to use.

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#10 posted 06-27-2011 06:09 PM

If you need a good low angle block, you should be able to get a Stanley #65 for a lot less than this plane. If your getting it as a collectable, it is the condition that you should pass it by.

-- We must guard our enthusiasm as we would our life - James Krenov

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