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Forum topic by SweetTea posted 06-25-2018 07:23 AM 981 views 0 times favorited 9 replies Add to Favorites Watch
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SweetTea

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06-25-2018 07:23 AM

Ok guys, I am looking at buying a new (or used) power feeder. It will be used to run raised panels on my 5HP shaper, and I plan to get 3 or 4 of the quick change mounts from Grizzly so that I can change between machines. It will also be used to make the stile cuts and door lip profiles for cabinet doors. I am not sure what the optimal horse power would be for these task. The new Powermatic 1HP unit looks nice, as does the 1HP Grizzly. The Powermatic and Grizzly are similarly priced, just not sure that I can swing $1,300+ dollars right now. Would a 1/4HP unit suffice for this? The 1/2HP models aren’t that far off in price from the 1HP units. My shaper for making raised panels is 5HP and the ones for the stiles and door lips are each 3HP.

What do you guys suggest? It won’t see a lot of heavy usage. We don’t make as many doors as we used to. Opinions on 1HP versus 1/4HP feeders? Opinions on Grizzly 1HP and 1/4HP versus Powermatic 1HP and 1/4HP?


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cabmaker

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#1 posted 06-25-2018 10:40 AM

you will be happier with the one hp due to physical weight

grizzly and powermatic or the same (comatic)

The only downfall of the heavier unit would be moving it from machine to machine

You really need one on each machine,,,,,but i well understand financial restrictions

If your unable to position machines to swing feeder around to use on two you may want to consider the 1/4 hp (if you must move from machine to machine.

I don’t know what machines you have…..more than likely it will be easier to change knives than swap feeder around

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SweetTea

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#2 posted 06-25-2018 12:33 PM



you will be happier with the one hp due to physical weight

grizzly and powermatic or the same (comatic)

The only downfall of the heavier unit would be moving it from machine to machine

You really need one on each machine,,,,,but i well understand financial restrictions

If your unable to position machines to swing feeder around to use on two you may want to consider the 1/4 hp (if you must move from machine to machine.

I don t know what machines you have…..more than likely it will be easier to change knives than swap feeder around

- cabmaker

Right now with my 4 shapers positioned in sort of an octagon configuration, my plan is to possibly try and mount the feeder in the center area behind the shapers. That way I could swing it around to different machines. If that won’t work, plan B is to go with the quick change mounts from Grizzly. It won’t be fun moving it around, but it will get me by until I can purchase some more. Right now I have a single 1/4HP grizzly, and I honestly don’t like it. The adjustments are poor and it is not convenient to position. I am probably going with the Powermatic 1HP four roller unit, and will switch my 1/4HP Grizzly to the stile machining station. I would like to eventually get another 1HP unit to run my door profiles. I just am not sure that it would absolutely require a 1HP unit for machining door lips, or if I could get by with a 1/4HP?

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AHuxley

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#3 posted 06-25-2018 06:57 PM

Your situation is perfect for one of the new(er) Comatic brushless DC feeders (DC30/DC40, Grizzly also imports the DC30 in green if it floats your boat). Everyone, myself included, that runs them can’t wait to replace all their feeders with them. The quick locking 90 degree swivel and full variable speed make them the cat’s meow and while they are lighter no one I know has had any issues with weight and for you, it makes them MUCH easier to move around.

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TungOil

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#4 posted 06-26-2018 12:25 AM

I have the 1/4 HP PM feeder on my shaper. It’s fine for my light use but if I were outfitting a production setup I’d go 1 HP mostly to get the 4wheels.

-- The optimist says "the glass is half full". The pessimist says "the glass is half empty". The engineer says "the glass is twice as big as it needs to be"

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SweetTea

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#5 posted 06-26-2018 09:59 AM



Your situation is perfect for one of the new(er) Comatic brushless DC feeders (DC30/DC40, Grizzly also imports the DC30 in green if it floats your boat). Everyone, myself included, that runs them can t wait to replace all their feeders with them. The quick locking 90 degree swivel and full variable speed make them the cat s meow and while they are lighter no one I know has had any issues with weight and for you, it makes them MUCH easier to move around.

- AHuxley

I just looked up these new Comatic DC feeders and I am blown away with how awesome these things look! Not sure if I can swing the extra dough, but I am sure going to try!

Would the DC30 be well suited to making raised panels and doing the stick (stile cuts) for making cabinet doors? What about doing outside edge profiles on cabinet doors? I should note that I don’t have a problem with running small pieces by hand. So I am not sure that I would actually need a 4 wheel (or greater) feeder, and could probably get by just fine with a 3 wheel model. Although, I would like to get your opinions on that as well? (3 wheel versus 4 wheel)

I could probably swing for the DC40 at just under $1,300. Also, would it be worth while to pay the extra (approx) $800 and get the DS300 which is the same model as the DC30 only with the upgraded stand? That seems awfully expensive just for having a different stand.

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SweetTea

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#6 posted 06-26-2018 10:03 AM



I have the 1/4 HP PM feeder on my shaper. It’s fine for my light use but if I were outfitting a production setup I’d go 1 HP mostly to get the 4wheels.

- TungOil

That was the model that I was leaning towards before coming across the info on the new Comatic DC powered brushless feeders. I am still not sure if I can afford the Comatic though. What would be gained by upgrading to a 1HP feeder over a 1/4HP feeder without taking into account the number of wheels? Would a 1/4HP feeder struggle making raised panels on a 3 or 5HP shaper?

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TungOil

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#7 posted 06-26-2018 01:01 PM

I think the small feeder will struggle to raise panels in a single pass. I don’t think it has the power or traction with only 3 wheels to raise panels in a single pass. That’s not an issue for me since I’m not in a production environment. I raise panels in two steps (on a 2 hp shaper)- first pass is all but about 1/32 – 1/16” of the profile, second pass to clean up and get to final size.

The small feeder would be fine for the cope and stick cuts.

-- The optimist says "the glass is half full". The pessimist says "the glass is half empty". The engineer says "the glass is twice as big as it needs to be"

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AHuxley

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#8 posted 06-26-2018 06:29 PM


Your situation is perfect for one of the new(er) Comatic brushless DC feeders (DC30/DC40, Grizzly also imports the DC30 in green if it floats your boat). Everyone, myself included, that runs them can t wait to replace all their feeders with them. The quick locking 90 degree swivel and full variable speed make them the cat s meow and while they are lighter no one I know has had any issues with weight and for you, it makes them MUCH easier to move around.

- AHuxley

I just looked up these new Comatic DC feeders and I am blown away with how awesome these things look! Not sure if I can swing the extra dough, but I am sure going to try!

Would the DC30 be well suited to making raised panels and doing the stick (stile cuts) for making cabinet doors? What about doing outside edge profiles on cabinet doors? I should note that I don’t have a problem with running small pieces by hand. So I am not sure that I would actually need a 4 wheel (or greater) feeder, and could probably get by just fine with a 3 wheel model. Although, I would like to get your opinions on that as well? (3 wheel versus 4 wheel)

I could probably swing for the DC40 at just under $1,300. Also, would it be worth while to pay the extra (approx) $800 and get the DS300 which is the same model as the DC30 only with the upgraded stand? That seems awfully expensive just for having a different stand.

- SweetTea

First, I understand budget creep, one goes into the rabbit hole with a slightly flexible budget of X and some out of the hole feeling like they need to spend 3X.

The only place you might “need” 4 wheels is when raising in a single pass but 3 wheels is probably enough in most of those profiles on a 5hp shaper, not so much on a 7.5 or 9hp beast. The key is the 3 wheeler will probably work fine while the tires are new even with single pass raising but you may find yourself replacing the tires sooner and the long term cost of a 3 wheeler might exceed that of a 4 wheeler as a result. If you do much operation with a tire removed the 4 wheeler becomes more important because you have 3 wheels left instead of two. Of note these feeders allow for half wheels to be used as well.

The expensive stand you mentioned is the Smart Stand. People love those as well but I don’t have one. They have a memory lock and the vertical adjustment is on the front. My budget creep had to stop before I followed that rabbit.

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SweetTea

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#9 posted 06-27-2018 07:48 AM


Your situation is perfect for one of the new(er) Comatic brushless DC feeders (DC30/DC40, Grizzly also imports the DC30 in green if it floats your boat). Everyone, myself included, that runs them can t wait to replace all their feeders with them. The quick locking 90 degree swivel and full variable speed make them the cat s meow and while they are lighter no one I know has had any issues with weight and for you, it makes them MUCH easier to move around.

- AHuxley

I just looked up these new Comatic DC feeders and I am blown away with how awesome these things look! Not sure if I can swing the extra dough, but I am sure going to try!

Would the DC30 be well suited to making raised panels and doing the stick (stile cuts) for making cabinet doors? What about doing outside edge profiles on cabinet doors? I should note that I don’t have a problem with running small pieces by hand. So I am not sure that I would actually need a 4 wheel (or greater) feeder, and could probably get by just fine with a 3 wheel model. Although, I would like to get your opinions on that as well? (3 wheel versus 4 wheel)

I could probably swing for the DC40 at just under $1,300. Also, would it be worth while to pay the extra (approx) $800 and get the DS300 which is the same model as the DC30 only with the upgraded stand? That seems awfully expensive just for having a different stand.

- SweetTea

First, I understand budget creep, one goes into the rabbit hole with a slightly flexible budget of X and some out of the hole feeling like they need to spend 3X.

The only place you might “need” 4 wheels is when raising in a single pass but 3 wheels is probably enough in most of those profiles on a 5hp shaper, not so much on a 7.5 or 9hp beast. The key is the 3 wheeler will probably work fine while the tires are new even with single pass raising but you may find yourself replacing the tires sooner and the long term cost of a 3 wheeler might exceed that of a 4 wheeler as a result. If you do much operation with a tire removed the 4 wheeler becomes more important because you have 3 wheels left instead of two. Of note these feeders allow for half wheels to be used as well.

The expensive stand you mentioned is the Smart Stand. People love those as well but I don t have one. They have a memory lock and the vertical adjustment is on the front. My budget creep had to stop before I followed that rabbit.

- AHuxley

Thanks for the advice. I think I would prefer to go with a 1HP unit with four wheels if I can wait to save up the money. That is, unless I am about to afford the Comatic DC40 which would be my first pick. The DC40 has four wheels and has the DC powered brushless motor. My second choice will be the PowerMatic PF-41 which is also a four wheel design with 1HP. I would also definitely be open to buying used if I come across a decent four wheel (or greater) 1HP unit.

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