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mafe

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06-19-2011 02:58 PM

Topic tags/keywords: profile plane french plane french hand plane

What purpose is this 1800 French double iron profile plane for?
A birthday present from my French fiancé.

Next week my birthday is up so Caroline had bought me some presents while I am here in Paris, since we will not be together on the day.


My favorite was of course this wonderful old plane, its French 1800.
As many French planes beautiful in its simplicity.


The profile, showing the negative profile.


The sole.


Interesting to see the way it is made, with the profile and the two cutters cut into the sides, fast and easy and then adding the sides simply by nails.
My guess will be that this plane was made by a craftsman and not a tool maker.


Here a drawing of the profile.
At first I thought window profiles, but then I realized the negative circle, this will normally never be used for window profiles due to the shadows will be hard and so the contrast will disturb our eyes.


So perhaps for furniture, door frames, who knows…


Here the happy birthday child enjoys life by the window on my little workmate table.

I even forgot my review of this table: http://lumberjocks.com/reviews/1633



Thank you for looking or even giving your thoughts,

Best thoughts,
Mads

-- Mad F, the fanatical rhykenologist and vintage architect. Democraticwoodworking.


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Sodabowski

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#1 posted 06-19-2011 03:01 PM

Quite obviously, this must have been made to cut rabbets into framing profile. Nice BDay gift :)

-- Holy scrap Barkman!

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#2 posted 06-19-2011 03:14 PM

My guess would be window profiles too, from your drawing it looks like a divided light plane.

http://www.google.com/products/catalog?q=divided+.light+router+bits&rls=com.microsoft:en-us:IE-Address&oe=UTF-8&rlz=1I7GGLL_en&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tbm=shop&cid=4904224948642957993&sa=X&ei=VvX9TcHAM8uWtwfWi_G9Dg&ved=0CHQQ8wIwBA#

These are what I think about when seeing you sketch.
Happy B-Day

-- Ike, Big Daddies Woodshop, http://www.icombadaniels@yahoo.com

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Brit

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#3 posted 06-19-2011 03:20 PM

Don’t know about the plane, but nice brushes :-)

-- Andy -- Old Chinese proverb say: If you think something can't be done, don't interrupt man who is doing it.

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#4 posted 06-19-2011 04:15 PM

congrat´s with the B-day plane Mads :-)
after consulting Whelans book about wooden planes historic, form and function
its look to me it can only be a Ogee sash plane

take care
Dennis

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mafe

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#5 posted 06-19-2011 04:17 PM

The profile circles goes invards therefore I think not window, but…


Andy, its Kolinsky brushes as you have guessed I’m sure, the brush rest a MaFe creation…
Big smile here,
Mads

-- Mad F, the fanatical rhykenologist and vintage architect. Democraticwoodworking.

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#6 posted 06-19-2011 04:33 PM

I also think window profiles. I don’t quite understand your comment about the sharp lines. It seems to me the diagram you drew of the profile and the actual profile ( from the second picture) don’t match. The curve seems quite smooth to me ( like an ogee curve and not like two half circles) and consistent with what you might see for window muntins, styles and rails.

Happy Birthday Mads.

-- If you can't joint it, bead it!

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mafe

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#7 posted 06-19-2011 05:32 PM

Hi a little story and a news!


I said I think I have doubt of the use due to the shape, here I show you why.
A window profile is rounded out to reflect light, this gives you a impression that the profile is thinner due to the soft tone of light change the profile gives, a modern square plastic window profile often seem violet thick due to it’s lack of shape, even when the width is the same.
If you round the profile in and not out you get this dark area du to the lack of reflection.
Hope my drawings show better than my words.

Hi Dennis,
Your bid brought me closer I think.
Here what I found:
http://www.thebestthings.com/oldtools/graphics/mp100270.jpg
MP100270 Bensen & Crannell, Albany A stick and rabbet style sash plane that cuts an ogee for the molding. I have never seen this profile on an American stick and rabbet sash plane before. Most of them are ovolos, many others are rustic or lamb’s tongues, and a few are cove with ovolo, but yet this seemingly simple profile does not show up.
http://www.thebestthings.com/molding.htm

Big smile here,
Mads

-- Mad F, the fanatical rhykenologist and vintage architect. Democraticwoodworking.

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#8 posted 06-19-2011 06:11 PM

Hi Mads, Hope you have a great birthday. The plane is a wonderful gift for a really nice man that loves traditional hand tools.

-- Dr. Ken, Florida - Durch harte arbeit werden Träume wahr.

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#9 posted 06-19-2011 06:45 PM

I realy don´t wonder you havn´t seen this profile on an american plane before sine
profiles on windows is different from region to region and from state to state
and again depending on the periode they were popular in use
and the fact that the american was faster to switch to maschinework when it comes to
profiles in housebuilding than the european joiners incl. on windowmaking

Dennis

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#10 posted 06-19-2011 06:48 PM

Wishing you a wonderful birthday, my friend Mads, sent via electronics from my little office in the mountains of the USA. I wish I could spend it with you, playing with tools. Alas, my 40th passed a few weeks back, so it appears that most of the fun is behind me;) If you’re at least 41, though, I have much to look forward to:) Yours in admiration and respect, Al.

-- My dad and I built a 65 chev pick up.I killed trannys in that thing for some reason-Hog

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#11 posted 06-19-2011 11:37 PM

What a great gift. I have seen an almost similar plane also very old and that was being used for making profile on list just for the beauty in it. Lucky you and happy birthday next week.

-- Boatbuilder&blacksmith

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#12 posted 06-20-2011 12:28 AM

Of course Mads it’s for window frames & sash bars but you already knew that didn’t you? My Dad had a set the same
Trevor

-- God created wood that we may create. Trevor East Yorkshire UK

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#13 posted 06-20-2011 01:58 AM

Happy Birthday, Mad.

-- CJIII Future cabinetmaker

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#14 posted 06-20-2011 03:54 AM

Mads, Glad you are having another birthday. I think the double profile is to get twice as much work done with every stroke ;-))

-- "some old things are lovely, warm still with life ... of the forgotten men who made them." - D.H. Lawrence

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