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TheDane

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1165 days ago

Topic tags/keywords: cpsc sawstop

Here we go … I feel like I’m lighting a bees nest on fire.

Just heard on NPR News that The Consumer Product Safety Commission has directed its staff to draft new safety requirements for table saws.

Consumer advocates were in Washington, D.C. last month, pushing tougher safety regulations for the industry. It appears the CPSC is ready to capitulate.

Looks like Steve Gass is winning his quest to make SawStop required.

Here’s a link to the story …
http://www.npr.org/2011/05/25/136617222/advocates-urge-lawmakers-to-make-table-saws-safer

—Gerry

-- Gerry -- "I don't plan to ever really grow up ... I'm just going to learn how to act in public!"


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rogerw

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#1 posted 1165 days ago

if it wasn’t for our constitutional right to roll up our sleeves and bare arms, and of course, the infamous National Table-saw Association, our government (ya gotta love ‘em for the diligence in trying their damn-est to protect us in every way possible) would not allow us to own such contraptions. I’m sure they would rather see us woodworkers chewing off the excess wood. But then that would have been halted too when they invented treated lumber. Guess we all just better go to the home improvement store, buy several sheets of those really thick styrofoam sheets, build ourselves a personal protection pyramid (PPP, government publication 1011.2993a), and hunker down! And please, (wouldn’t want to upset the government any more than we have to) be sure to wear a dust mask and full goggles while cutting those compound angles in the syrofoam.

-- >> my shop teacher used to say "do the best at everything you make for your mom because you're going to see it for the rest of your life!" <<

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Tedstor

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#2 posted 1165 days ago

I’m still trying to wrap my mind around the gov’t mandate for garage door opener sensors.

It really amazes me what the CPSC decides to focus on. I mean, how many serious injuries can be associated with tablesaws and garage door openers each year? The CPSC uses an assinine method to calculate their statistics, which always seems to artificially amplify a problem. Keep in mind that if I strain my back while unloading a Sawstop TS off a truck, the CPSC considers that a “tablesaw injury”, and adds it to the tally. If I get my hand caught in a garage door track, thats a “garage door injury”, and gets used to justify the need and expense for garage door sensors.

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knotscott

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#3 posted 1165 days ago

Dear CPSC – Life is hazardous to your health….deal with it.

-- Happiness is like wetting your pants...everyone can see it, but only you can feel the warmth....

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Bertha

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#4 posted 1165 days ago

Well put, KnotScott. I am a medical examiner in real life, forensic pathologist. Just like CSI, just better looking and without all the neon lights ;) My patients are dead and they’ve usually suffered some sort of injury. I can tell you professionally as a qualified expert witness that there are things far more dangerous than table saws in this World. This whole mess is what I hate most about our current society. Living is certanly dangerous. Living to litigate. Disgusting.

-- My dad and I built a 65 chev pick up.I killed trannys in that thing for some reason-Hog

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TheDane

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#5 posted 1165 days ago

Of course, we don’t know for sure what the staff will come up with in terms of rules, but right now, SawStop’s technology is (AFAIK) the only one on the market. There are some other in various stages of experimentation or development.

I do get concerned when lawyers like Sally Greenberg say stuff like “We’ve got this great technology — it’s not terribly expensive to implement. Let’s do it.” People like her never have a problem so long as they are spending somebody else’s money.

I bought my Jet 708100 for $399.00 back in 2006. Today, that same is listed on Amazon.com for$875.00. I hate to think what a saw like mine would cost in a year or two once Gass’ technology is implemented.

Yes, I have heard or read all of the arguments for SawStop … I know one trip to the emergency room would more than off-set the cost of buying a SawStop, etc. I certainly have no bias against SawStop … I have used a SawStop cabinet saw at the local tech school …it is a pretty decent tool, and I might consider one should I decide to replace my Jet.

I just don’t like the government trying to regulate still another facet of my life.

—Gerry

-- Gerry -- "I don't plan to ever really grow up ... I'm just going to learn how to act in public!"

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Bertha

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#6 posted 1165 days ago

Gerry and I are on the same page. I carry a handgun with absolutely no safety features whatsoever. I’m a grown man, capable of assessing risks myself.

-- My dad and I built a 65 chev pick up.I killed trannys in that thing for some reason-Hog

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pierce85

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#7 posted 1165 days ago

Just as a friendly point of clarification on nomenclature: This mythical creature that so many folks love to call “the government” is actually us and always has been. We can quibble about the finer points of representative democracy and selectively choose which laws and regulations we prefer to those we don’t, but this boogieman paraded around as “the government” is nothing more than a shibboleth. This is obviously an unpopular view here, but I suspect that my boogieman, your boogieman, and the countless other boogiemen lurking around our liberties are likely to have very little in common.

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Bertha

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#8 posted 1165 days ago

Although eloquently drafted, I’m not sure I understand Pierce’s stance. I suppose it’s not my place to, however. I simply get nervous when any liberties are infringed upon. Not terrified, just nervous. I certainly accept the core of your statement, however, that we made this beast and now we have to steer it ;)

-- My dad and I built a 65 chev pick up.I killed trannys in that thing for some reason-Hog

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Gene Howe

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#9 posted 1165 days ago

Life is tough and tougher if you’re stupid. (I think The Duke said that.)
Maybe, instead of mandating that the industry fall in line with Gass’s greed, they should require that prospective tool purchasers pass an IQ test.

-- Gene 'The true soldier fights not because he hates what is in front of him, but because he loves what is behind him.' G. K. Chesterton

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Bertha

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#10 posted 1165 days ago

What about roll bars and seatbelts for lawn tractors? In my neck of the woods, much more productive in terms of decreased morbidity than silly table saw brakes. There’s already an option for those who want SawStop technology, buy a SawStop. I feel like I should be compensated, for all the time I’ve spent arguing this topic. Doris, get my lawyer on the line;)

-- My dad and I built a 65 chev pick up.I killed trannys in that thing for some reason-Hog

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reggiek

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#11 posted 1165 days ago

I don’t mind some extra safety….as long as it does not skyrocket the price beyond what a reasonable woodworker can afford – if you want perfect safety you must be willing to shell out the cash….We all hear the horror stories…then the lawsuits. We have become the culture of “it must be somebody else’s fault” and then to the “there must be someone that I can sue”. If we can limit lawsuit awards to only the actual damages incurred (based on the fault of the manufacture – not the user)...and limit the percentage the lawyer gets….all this hoopla frivilous lawsuits may get eliminated – or at least reduced dramatically.

As for Saw Stop – I’ll get the popcorn….let the insults/complaints/compliments…etc…fly.

-- Woodworking.....My small slice of heaven!

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Bertha

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#12 posted 1165 days ago

SawStop owners opened their wallets for the technology, and there’s not one thing at all wrong with that. They’re solid saws, no real debate there either. I can just think of 20 things off the top of my head that the government (boogieman;) could be doing to reduce morbidity and mortality than table saw safety technology. For some real litigation gone wild, look into the Taser gun technology. It’s much worse than this.

-- My dad and I built a 65 chev pick up.I killed trannys in that thing for some reason-Hog

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pierce85

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#13 posted 1165 days ago

Sorry, Bertha, I should have been less cryptic. Simply put, we all have different ideas of what should and should not be regulated. If we dug deep enough, we would all find ourselves denying liberties to others and ourselves on some level.

The point I’m making here is that to assume this particular issue is one dimensional, that is, requiring SawStop technology on all TS is obviously bad because we’re all responsible woodworkers who know what’s best for ourselves and one another, is a mistake. And, by using the old standby “the government” as a universal bad guy frames the issue one-dimensionally. For example, I think most of us would agree that requiring licensed electricians to wire up buildings, public and private, is probably a good thing.

So what exactly is good and/or bad about requiring SawStop technology on all TS, without throwing in “the government” boogieman? I’m undecided but leaning toward such a requirement as being unnecessary. That a single company would benefit enormously from such a law is probably enough for me to give it a big thumbs down.

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Florida_Jim

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#14 posted 1164 days ago

Gerry and I are on the same page. I carry a handgun with absolutely no safety features whatsoever. I’m a grown man, capable of assessing risks myself.

—Al, West Virginia, www.berthacombat.com
Al.
What kind of handgun do you carry?
I’m hard pressed to think of one without some kind of safety device.
I carry either a Glock 36, or a S&W 638 revolver, depending on what I’m wearing. Both have some safety protection.

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patron

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#15 posted 1164 days ago

i got a left tilt uni-saw with 52” biesemeyer fence
when they came out 10 years ago
for $1,500

the three sawstops i just googled
all sell for $2,999
so saw stop sets the price on all

like bose stereo equipment
or apple computers do

all ‘govt’ is just lawyers
probably never been in a shop
or even own anything they regulate
with the money and benefits they have
what does it matter to them
what we as free people do anyway
except to make money for themselves

-- david - only thru kindness can this world be whole . If we don't succeed we run the risk of failure. Dan Quayle

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