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pariswoodworking

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05-27-2018 08:53 AM

I’m working on a project that has the Texas flag as the lid. I’m wanting it to have a rustic look, but not necessarily a rough one. The plan is to take twelve 3” wide white pine boards that are 1/2” thick, round over the edges slightly (just enough to give it the impression of being weathered and slightly separated when the boards are joined), and then gluing them to a 1/4” thick piece of plywood. Hopefully I can do this in a way where it won’t warp overtime.

Here’s the look I’m going for, only with the Texas flag.

It’s going to be exactly 3’x5’.

The thing I’m trying to figure out is how to color the wood without losing the grain. A paint wash would probably yield pretty good results, but dye will give me much more vibrant colors without loosing any of the wood’s figure. White pine has a pretty nasty habit of blotching when stained. Am I going to have those same issues with dye?

The star also presents an issue if I use dye. I’m not going to be able to dye it white once that wood is blue, and even if I could, I doubt I would get a clean line. Keeping it bare wood right there probably wouldn’t work either since the blue dye is just going to bleed under any tape I put there. I’m guessing my only option there would be a paint wash over the dye?

What do you guys think?

Paint wash?

Or dye? (in satin, not gloss)

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#1 posted 05-27-2018 05:56 PM

If you were to put an exterior deck stain on you can get that see the grain look, and add a variety of color. Biggest drawback it’s gallons only so you would need to make a bunch of those rascals.

Advantages is you can add some water proofing if it’s for outdoor use, you want to look at the “transparent stains” as opposed to solid color stains, which is stain in one coat, and more like paint in 2 or 3 coats.

I like the Behr brand at Home Depot

Otherwise if for indoor, or sheltered outdoor use you could use Transtint dyes added to a clear natural finish. One that you could see the grain through, from Shellac on the thin end, to Poly’s, spar varnish up to Epoxy’s.

Any can be easy enough to work with, most could be brushed, wiped, or padded, and with the correct thinning could be sprayed as well.

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#2 posted 05-27-2018 06:18 PM

In both of those pics it appears the white stars are pieces on top of the blue area. Using separate star pieces makes the whole thing much easier, as each piece can be colored separately, then top coated assembled or separate. As for the coloring medium, ngr or water dye ( I use transtint) will give the brightest most vibrant color, and can be toned down by reducing or mixing in a little black, or a coat of thinned black or dark brown.

The white is probably best done with thinned paint/white wash since I think you want it muted some.

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#3 posted 05-27-2018 09:14 PM

White pine has a pretty nasty habit of blotching when stained. Am I going to have those same issues with dye?

Yes you will. If you look at your pictures those boards have been lightly torched. That probably hides quite a bit of the blotching. I would do a bunch experimentation with scraps before I committed to a single process.I also recommend making the star out of a separate piece of wood, that way you can color as you wish with out the masking issues.

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#4 posted 05-28-2018 12:10 AM

It’s going to be indoors (it’s mainly wall art with a purpose).

This is the kind of dye I was going to use. If I can just mix it into some shellac, that would be great.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00BAKWTMQ/ref=ox_sc_act_title_5?smid=A3VDBPE82S43CG&psc=1

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#5 posted 05-28-2018 12:50 PM

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#6 posted 05-29-2018 04:59 AM

I’m going to try that Elmer glue thing on some scrap and see how that works. Thanks for the link.

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