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oldnovice

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05-22-2018 02:48 AM

Topic tags/keywords: door drawers cabiner question maple finishing

Hopefully the title won’t scare you!

We have a maple bathroom cabinet that is about 12 years old and is starting to look like it!
The doors are 12-1/4” ×18-3/4” with a 2” frame around the 3/8” inset panel.
She wants the inset panel GONE!

I do not want to disassemble the door as the glue joints are still good and strong.
The simplest approach, but probably the ugliest, is to insert a 3/8” maple veneer panel over the original … ugly!

Another alternative is to build a completely new door but I cannot imagine a non-panel door. Any suggestions?

The last WANT is to refinish the drawers and whatever the doors turn out to be. The cabinet has a very poor lacquer finish and she wants it done with poly. If I poly the drawers and door will that look too different from the frame?

Any comments would certainly be appreciated!

-- "I never met a board I didn't like!"


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#1 posted 05-22-2018 03:22 AM

I have questions before I can give relevant answers. Why does she want the panel gone, is it because the finish has deteriorated or because she does not like the panel style of door?

If it’s a finish issue, why not just hit it with some paint stripper and refinish it.

Gluing a veneer panel over the existing one will probably not have a professional look to it.

Building a non panel door could be done by edge gluing some maple boards together of the right thickness, a little larger in every dimension than what you need the finished product to be, and then sawing the finished assembly to the correct size.

The poly finish and the lacquer finish shouldn’t look too awfully different from each other as long as you get the right gloss, IE Satin, Semi Gloss, or Gloss, but in any event, lacquer is not a good finish for the warm humid environment you find in a bathroom. Case in point, my wife’s parents had a dining room set finished with lacquer, and every time I sat in one of the chairs – if I got a little too warm, my shirt stuck to it!

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#2 posted 05-22-2018 06:51 AM

Your wife wants…............. a European door, maybe you could say a German door (In my opinium there is where it started) . If you google (pictures) “kuechen” or “keuken” you will see that most kitchen doors don’t have frame doors. With bathroom doors it’s the same. And there is something else. You also don’t see (85%) solid wood. There still are flat solid wood doors, but you will understand the difficulty, especially in the bathroom. The wood will work and flat will be not flat anymore. So another question to your wife is does see want solid wood doors?

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#3 posted 05-22-2018 11:04 AM

Why don’t you get some maple veneer plywood and put an edge band on it?

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#4 posted 05-22-2018 11:29 AM

Hello there fellow LJ.
Since you asked for suggestions,,,
plan A set a mirror instead of wood
plan B stainglass panel, but you must find somebody and have a design at least a picture a colour scheme to please everybody.
Plan C raised panel, find some wood with character spalted, tiger, birds eye

Wood working brings us all together, I’ m positive the answer is not far.

-- andrek

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#5 posted 05-22-2018 11:39 AM

photos would be nice to see: as a “Before and After” project.

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DeLayne Peck

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#6 posted 05-22-2018 02:05 PM

Sadly, Maple veneer plywood, edge banded or narrow frame.

-- DJ Peck, Lincoln Nebraska. Lord, keep your arm around my shoulder and your hand over my mouth.

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#7 posted 05-22-2018 03:39 PM

She dislikes the recessed panel because of the resulting lower horizontal parts of the frame as everything collects on it. She just dislikes horizontal dust collecting surfaces as this project shows, there are virtually none.

I prefer semi-gloss but in this instance gloss might be better!

After all of these comments right now, I am considering a “slab” door, European style.
I am still arguing with myself as to full European, square edges, or modified radiused edges.
The square edged one could be veneer plywood while radiused one would have to be solid wood.

This will have to be one of my summer project, a little unexpected but that’s the way it goes!

-- "I never met a board I didn't like!"

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#8 posted 05-22-2018 04:33 PM

The square edged one could be veneer plywood while radiused one would have to be solid wood.

- oldnovice

Instead of using veneer you can also glue wooden strips to the plywood. The strip thickness depents of the radius. Nowedays almost all european furniture is with sharp edges, but a couple of years ago it was mostly with a radius. Beaware that sharp edges need a higher accuracy.

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#9 posted 05-22-2018 10:31 PM

You are right Dutchy, all you have to do is visit Ikea and square corners is all you will see.
Definitely cheaper to make.

-- "I never met a board I didn't like!"

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#10 posted 05-25-2018 08:34 PM

“After all of these comments right now, I am considering a “slab” door, European style.
I am still arguing with myself as to full European, square edges, or modified radiused edges.
The square edged one could be veneer plywood while radiused one would have to be solid wood.”

Go with the Slab door, radiused edges and be done with it.

Ricl

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oldnovice

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#11 posted 05-26-2018 03:48 AM

That is what I am condidering at this time Rick.
However, my sources of good lumber are now gone; Southern Lumber, closed after 104 years, Macbeath Hardwoods, moved away and I do not want to go to BORG!
It may have to be a truck trip to Rockler, or online from Woodcraft!

-- "I never met a board I didn't like!"

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#12 posted 05-26-2018 11:04 PM



That is what I am condidering at this time Rick.
However, my sources of good lumber are now gone; Southern Lumber, closed after 104 years, Macbeath Hardwoods, moved away and I do not want to go to BORG!
It may have to be a truck trip to Rockler, or online from Woodcraft!

- oldnovice

That’s to bad OldNovice. Lot of “Looking” just for a Bathroom Cabinet. Anyway I’m sure You’ll “Win Out” in the end.

-- LIFE is what happens when you're planning on doing Other Things!

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#13 posted 05-27-2018 03:18 AM

Edgeband some plywood. Fairly easy to do, much less expensive and you can stain, or paint it and it will look good.

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#14 posted 05-27-2018 03:31 AM

Sounds like she wants Ikea cabinets. In which case woodbutcher has the right answer.

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#15 posted 05-27-2018 11:26 AM



She dislikes the recessed panel because of the resulting lower horizontal parts of the frame as everything collects on it. She just *dislikes horizontal dust collecting surfaces *as this project shows, there are virtually none.

- oldnovice

Somewhere I don’t get what the problem is. No matter what kind of door you build, you will still have a horizontal surface on the top of the door where dust will collect. Unless you are the one that wants to do the remodel, tell her to live with it. Jerry (in Tucson)

-- Jerry (in Tucson) www.woodturnerstools.com

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