LumberJocks

Illegal Rosewood harvesting in Madagascar

  • Advertise with us

« back to Wood & Lumber forum

Forum topic by mtkate posted 1147 days ago 2051 views 0 times favorited 22 replies Add to Favorites Watch
View mtkate's profile

mtkate

2049 posts in 1927 days


1147 days ago

Topic tags/keywords: rosewood conservation logging madagascar

Unfortunately the pink snake (new species) is tangled up with rosewood logging – illegal kind. Rosewood is beautiful to work with… but at what cost?

I think this topic has come up before. Just posting for awareness. It is not always easy to be sure the purchasing sources are legal… but we do what we can.

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2011/06/pictures/110606-madagascar-new-species-glam-rock-lizard-science/?source=link_fb20110607madagascarnewspecies#/new-species-madagascar-10-years-lizard-eating-snake_36306_600x450.jpg


22 replies so far

View Xaromir's profile

Xaromir

18 posts in 1150 days


#1 posted 1147 days ago

I’m sure china is a big part of the problem, but not exclusively,
Gibson is guilty of buying illegal rosewood too, FBI gave them a visit last year or so,
also because of apparently illegal rosewood from madagascar.
Well, it’s a beautiful animal, and it will continue to lose it’s habitat,
as long there are people that demand more precious materials, for smaller prizes.
It’s the human spirit to consume till there is nothing to consume anymore.

They will continue to exist though, they are very decorative,
so some zoo or private collector will surely stat breeding them.

-- From [a] to [b] with [c].

View Beginningwoodworker's profile

Beginningwoodworker

13337 posts in 2275 days


#2 posted 1147 days ago

Thats why I like to build with local woods, Like Cherry, or Oak.

-- CJIII Future cabinetmaker

View patron's profile

patron

12963 posts in 1943 days


#3 posted 1147 days ago

walking this drought riddled desert i live in
i am constantly amazed at the tenacity of life

when i moved here
i could not see those mountains
then thousands of pinons died
i cut them for firewood for 5 years
to clean the property

yesterday i went walking
and found new ones struggling to grow

yet i watch the news
and am appalled that man is determined to destroy
not only his fellow man
but everything that sustains life too

but the earth will win
whether we are here or not

-- david - only thru kindness can this world be whole . If we don't succeed we run the risk of failure. Dan Quayle

View mtkate's profile

mtkate

2049 posts in 1927 days


#4 posted 1146 days ago

“but the earth will win
whether we are here or not”

good one David… so true.

View KnickKnack's profile

KnickKnack

965 posts in 2168 days


#5 posted 1146 days ago

but the earth will win whether we are here or not

I think that really depends on how you measure victory.
Sure, it’s unlikely (but possible) that the earth will be totally destroyed.
But if we cut down all the forests, and drive all those species that are close to extinction beyond the point of no return, and drive a whole new load of fauna and flora to the brink – well, I personally wouldn’t call that a “win” – I’d call that irresponsible.

”We do not inherit the land from our ancestors, we borrow it from our children.”

-- "Do not speak – unless it improves on silence." --- "Following the rules and protecting the regulations is binding oneself without rope."

View saddletramp's profile

saddletramp

994 posts in 1240 days


#6 posted 1146 days ago

KnickKnack, I hesitate to speak for David but, I think that he means that the earth will save herself, even if she has to kill us off to do it.

-- ♫♪♪♫♫ Saddletramp, saddletramp, I'm as free as the breeze and I ride where I please, saddletramp ♪♪♪♫♪ ...... Bob W....NW Michigan (Traverse City area)

View patron's profile

patron

12963 posts in 1943 days


#7 posted 1146 days ago

Oxygen Supply

Phytoplankton need two things for photosynthesis and thus their survival: energy from the sun and nutrients from the water. Phytoplankton absorb both across their cell walls.

In the process of photosynthesis, phytoplankton release oxygen into the water. Half of the world’s oxygen is produced via phytoplankton photosynthesis. The other half is produced via photosynthesis on land by trees, shrubs, grasses, and other plants.

so let’s dump our chemicals in the ocean
and just cut down all the trees
(now they just burn the rain forests
as it is ‘to expensive’ to harvest them
so everyone can eat ‘big mac’s’)

this may or may not have anything to do
with the earths evolution
like earthquakes and volcanoes
and the shifting tectonic plates
ice ages or planetary warming

but it just seems crazy
that even though we are beginning to understand these things
it is more important to divert rivers
so we can water our lawns
and fill our pools
and wash our cars

yes knick knack it is very irresponsible
and yes tramp that is what i meant

we didn’t kill the dinosaurs or mammoths

but we may just kill the people yet
if the planet doesn’t have a quick ‘shake’
and do it for us
and start all over again

-- david - only thru kindness can this world be whole . If we don't succeed we run the risk of failure. Dan Quayle

View patron's profile

patron

12963 posts in 1943 days


#8 posted 1146 days ago

here is an interesting new app
for smartphones to identify trees
by taking a picture of a leaf

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110608/ap_on_hi_te/us_smithsonian_identifying_trees

-- david - only thru kindness can this world be whole . If we don't succeed we run the risk of failure. Dan Quayle

View HorizontalMike's profile

HorizontalMike

6915 posts in 1516 days


#9 posted 1146 days ago

saddletramp has explained it well.

If/when (or already have) we screw up, Mother Earth will eliminate the Human pestilence and start over with what few forms of life survive the reset. Usually it takes the form of lower forms that will then evolve into higher forms, much like the mammals did at the end of the dinosaur era.

And NO, I am NOT interested in bantering with any creationist wingnuts.

-- HorizontalMike -- "Woodpeckers understand..."

View stefang's profile

stefang

12592 posts in 1936 days


#10 posted 1146 days ago

I’m not big on reptiles, but that sure is a beautiful snake.

The fate of the earth makes me think about the tree falling in the forest. If we are not there to see it, can the earth really die?

Just deep enough to be in over my head.

-- Mike, an American living in Norway.

View Dennisgrosen's profile

Dennisgrosen

10850 posts in 1717 days


#11 posted 1146 days ago

thank´s for the warning Kate
and the picture of a beautyfull Snake :-)

Dennis

View Vasko's profile

Vasko

271 posts in 1288 days


#12 posted 1146 days ago

That is a most gorgeous snake – I never would have known about it if it wasn’t for your post.

-- - Cindy, texture freak -

View jack1's profile

jack1

1907 posts in 2629 days


#13 posted 1146 days ago

Ordinarily as a smart ankle, I would ask if these snakes taste like chicken but not this time… ;0)
Seriously, I too like our native wood and try to buy what’s local. That’s not to say these exotics aren’t beautiful but our stuff is exotic to someone living somewhere else around the world too.
I’m not a “THE EARTH IS GONNA DIE CAUSE OF PEOPLE” doomsday kind of guy but, I don’t think we should unnecessarily destroy habitat, critters and all else that is dependent on that habitat. We are human, desirve to be here and are smart enough as a group to do that and not wipe out other species.

I’m done! ;0)

Ok, not quite done. I hunt, fish, eat meat I get as well as what’s raised by those that do.

NOw I’m done. Really…

-- jack -- ...measure once, curse twice!

View HorizontalMike's profile

HorizontalMike

6915 posts in 1516 days


#14 posted 1146 days ago

Jack1 SAID: We are human, desirve to be here and are smart enough as a group to do that and not wipe out other species.

Yup Jack, yur’ (we are) done, with that kind of attitude. Yas’eer, we be dun”. That is why we have global warming, massive species extinctions, shortages of exotic species of timber, etc. Yep, we be dun’ alright. we are SO responsible… In other words, there are NO buts about it… You buy it and the world loses, no exceptions, even for you. We do NOT deserve to be here and our over-population IS a problem, no ifs, ands, or buts…

-- HorizontalMike -- "Woodpeckers understand..."

View HerbC's profile

HerbC

1154 posts in 1461 days


#15 posted 1145 days ago

I agree (as a Creationist WingNut < GRIN > ) that we do not DESERVE to be here. We are here and the world is a gift from our Creator, who entrusted it to our care. We have a DUTY to care for the world and use it wisely…

Nuff Said.

Herb

-- Herb, Florida - Here's why I close most messages with "Be Careful!" http://lumberjocks.com/HerbC/blog/17090

showing 1 through 15 of 22 replies

Have your say...

You must be signed in to reply.

DISCLAIMER: Any posts on LJ are posted by individuals acting in their own right and do not necessarily reflect the views of LJ. LJ will not be held liable for the actions of any user.

Latest Projects | Latest Blog Entries | Latest Forum Topics

HomeRefurbers.com

Latest Projects | Latest Blog Entries | Latest Forum Topics

GardenTenders.com :: gardening showcase