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05-14-2018 06:37 PM

Topic tags/keywords: dust collection dust powertec rockler wall mount

I am 95% sure I am about to buy the Powertec wall mounted DC and the Oneida Cyclone with drum.

I plan on getting some of those retractble rockler hoses with the quick connect ports and just hooking them up to tools when used. I dont really have the ability for PVC and a more intricate system. Does anyone have any reasons for or against this setup?

Links:
https://www.amazon.com/Oneida-Molded-Deluxe-Deputy-10-gallon/dp/B071P6ZP2F/ref=sr_1_8?ie=UTF8&qid=1526320011&sr=8-8&keywords=dust+separator+kit

https://www.amazon.com/POWERTEC-DC5370-Collector-Micron-Filter/dp/B01M18RJOU/ref=sr_1_2?s=hi&ie=UTF8&qid=1526319830&sr=1-2&keywords=wall+mount+dust+collector&dpID=416XERTD%252BLL&preST=_SY300_QL70_&dpSrc=srch


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Dustin

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#1 posted 05-14-2018 07:59 PM

I’d be forewarned: that unit with its 1hp motor only boasts 537 cfm. Adding a dust deputy is going to cut that number substantially, and those retractable hoses are ridged and prone to tight bends, which constricts airflow even more. Short version: with that setup, I’d be surprised if you even pulled as much as 300 cfm at the tool.

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#2 posted 05-14-2018 08:10 PM

would you recommend no deputy then?

I dont have the ability to run any permanent duct work

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#3 posted 05-14-2018 08:11 PM

You will be underwhelmed with that setup. I started with a 1 hp dust collector with a small impeller, and I had dust everywhere. It collected whatever dust happen to fall near the chute, but not any efficient collection.

I have since upgraded to a 2hp cyclone with a 14” or 15” impeller, and it performs MUCH better.
I hard piped with 6” metal runs, and kept the flex hose to a minimum and it works great.

Good luck with it.

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#4 posted 05-14-2018 08:15 PM


You will be underwhelmed with that setup. I started with a 1 hp dust collector with a small impeller, and I had dust everywhere. It collected whatever dust happen to fall near the chute, but not any efficient collection.

I have since upgraded to a 2hp cyclone with a 14” or 15” impeller, and it performs MUCH better.
I hard piped with 6” metal runs, and kept the flex hose to a minimum and it works great.

Good luck with it.

- pintodeluxe

I really only run a jobsite table saw, a lunchbox planer, and a miter saw. Everything else is handheld (router, sander). I also do not have the ability to do any permanent duct work

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Jordan123

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#5 posted 05-14-2018 08:16 PM



I d be forewarned: that unit with its 1hp motor only boasts 537 cfm. Adding a dust deputy is going to cut that number substantially, and those retractable hoses are ridged and prone to tight bends, which constricts airflow even more. Short version: with that setup, I d be surprised if you even pulled as much as 300 cfm at the tool.

- Dustin

Would you recommend no deputy? I only really run a job site table saw, miter saw, and lunchbox planer. And all ar reasonably close to where this would be mounted.

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#6 posted 05-15-2018 10:55 AM

Here’s the problem your facing: that DC isn’t going to move much air at all. Your add ons (the deputy, and th long coiled hose) are each going to further restrict the air, so much so that that will indeed be underwhelmed by the setup. In your case, you’re trying to catch dust from a miter saw, that in itself is a formidable task and will almost certainly defeat your planned DC set up. I’m not sure about the job site saw, but it may work OK with the planer.

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#7 posted 05-15-2018 11:22 AM

10” impeller
537 cfm max ?
7.2” static pressure
2.5 micron bag

It is always best to look up actual specs. The cyclone is too much of a drag on such a small DC.

It is difficult to configure small DC because of limited capability. If it were me, I would not use a cyclone with it and use shortest possible hose.

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#8 posted 05-15-2018 01:42 PM

If those are the only tools you’re likely to use, they likely have small dust collection ports on them. Reducing from the DC to the tool port will decrease your performance even more due to the low static pressure capabilities of that machine. Personally, I’d get a nice large shop vac (the 12 or 16 gallon Ridgid at the Home Depot is great, and runs about $100), and add the appropriately sized dust deputy to it. It won’t catch everything, but neither will that DC. And this way you’ll have a good setup to clean up your work area to boot.

-- "Ladies, if your husband says he'll get to it, he'll get to it. No need to remind him about it every 6 months."

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Jordan123

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#9 posted 05-15-2018 02:07 PM



Here s the problem your facing: that DC isn t going to move much air at all. Your add ons (the deputy, and th long coiled hose) are each going to further restrict the air, so much so that that will indeed be underwhelmed by the setup. In your case, you re trying to catch dust from a miter saw, that in itself is a formidable task and will almost certainly defeat your planned DC set up. I m not sure about the job site saw, but it may work OK with the planer.

- Fred Hargis

im less concerned with the miter, it has a DC bag that does ok. More so with the table saw and planer. Do you think I should drop the cyclone?

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Jordan123

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#10 posted 05-15-2018 02:08 PM



10” impeller
537 cfm max ?
7.2” static pressure
2.5 micron bag

It is always best to look up actual specs. The cyclone is too much of a drag on such a small DC.

It is difficult to configure small DC because of limited capability. If it were me, I would not use a cyclone with it and use shortest possible hose.

- Redoak49

So no cyclone and you think I’ll be ok? I understand bigger is always better but i dont really have the budget or space for a 2hp system. Do you have a recc for a hose that tends to do better with airflow? I was going to get the rockler expandable one

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Jordan123

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#11 posted 05-15-2018 02:10 PM


If those are the only tools you re likely to use, they likely have small dust collection ports on them. Reducing from the DC to the tool port will decrease your performance even more due to the low static pressure capabilities of that machine. Personally, I d get a nice large shop vac (the 12 or 16 gallon Ridgid at the Home Depot is great, and runs about $100), and add the appropriately sized dust deputy to it. It won t catch everything, but neither will that DC. And this way you ll have a good setup to clean up your work area to boot.

- Dustin


You think I will have better luck with that set up?

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rwe2156

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#12 posted 05-15-2018 02:25 PM

I agree with everyone re: not big enough. You need at least 350CFM at the machine for decent collection on a table saw.

For less money and way more power, I suggest something like this unit

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Jordan123

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#13 posted 05-15-2018 03:51 PM



I agree with everyone re: not big enough. You need at least 350CFM at the machine for decent collection on a table saw.

For less money and way more power, I suggest something like this unit

- rwe2156

Just feels so bulky and big

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#14 posted 05-15-2018 03:51 PM

I think you’d do better with a shop vac with a dust deputy setup that you hook up to those machines. Most of those are configured with 2.5” ports anyways right?

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Jordan123

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#15 posted 05-15-2018 03:53 PM


I agree with everyone re: not big enough. You need at least 350CFM at the machine for decent collection on a table saw.

For less money and way more power, I suggest something like this unit

- rwe2156

Just feels so bulky and big

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