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04-28-2018 06:22 PM


This was a small job for a customer.

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#1 posted 04-28-2018 11:21 PM

very nicely done sir !!
how did you do the carvings ?

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#2 posted 04-28-2018 11:34 PM

They say, big things come in small packages. There’s your proof. Beautiful work!

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#3 posted 04-28-2018 11:49 PM

Drew them out free hand with a pencil then relieved with 5mm 60 degree v parting and #7 sweep gouge and a 1/8” 1/2 radius gouge. I use Pheil tools and the small gouge is a flexicut. I also made the scales with that as well. Box elder carves pretty well but it does tend to tear out so I spent a lot of time with the strop. Thanks guys. Hey John; should I use General finish exterior for the UV resistance or; do you recommend something else. I don’t want the red to brown up too fast and a guy at Rocklears said to use exterior Poly for it’s UV blocking ability. What do you think? The customer wants to set it under the window in their Library/den.

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#4 posted 04-29-2018 02:09 AM

I am not a big fan of polyurethanes that “say” they have UV inhibitors in their recipe.
If I am going to do a project that is to be used outside, on boats or around the ocean,
or just in direct sunlight, I go with a high quality marine 100% spar varnish.
Pettit #2067 Captain’s Ultra Clear Varnish is a clear varnish that does not yellow
but you pay for it – $50.00 a quart. the majority of marine varnishes are amber in color
that still have a high UV inhibitor content but the color change is a factor for light colored wood.
it just comes down to your personal choice and the budget.
many people swear they have good success with Helmsman Spar Urethane (but not for me).
and that is how I base my decision – by personal experience.
I have started using argon gas in the cans of varnish prior to closing the lid to keep
it from skinning over and preserve the contents. at $50 a pop, you learn to be frugal.
no matter what brand name you choose, the proper application process will help make your finish last longer.

and again – GREAT JOB on the stool !!

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#5 posted 04-29-2018 02:37 PM

Thanks John. Got a Coatings supply store right down the road. They carry Pettit, never thought to ask. It costs 56.20 at their store but it comes in a “bladder dispenser” so I need compressed air to dispense it. They sell the .75 qt. refill bladders for 42 dollars. I guess all the oxidizing resins are going this way for commercial use. I’ve used helmsman before and It gives the wood a yellow “dirty” look on liter colored woods in my opinion. I think its worth it when you are doing something for a customer. You know that the finish can make or break the project.

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#6 posted 04-29-2018 03:52 PM

just be advised that any UV varnish will take a minimum of 6 coats,
thinned accordingly from the first to the last coat.
and you are very correct: ”You know that the finish can make or break the project”.
it is more appropriate to say that the finish WILL make or break the project – and your reputation.
the Jeep Cherokee had some clear coat “issues” around 2000-2002 where the clear broke down
pretty rapidly when the vehicle was not garage kept in the Southern States. really ugly looking.
once the cancer starts in a finish, it must be addressed right away or there goes your entire project.
I don’t know about Pettit having their varnish in a bladder for spraying.
personally, I prefer the brush. when you go to the paint store, ask about their application methods.
(well, read the can ~ don’t always rely on the salesperson to know everything about their products).
it just seems odd that a marine varnish would be spray only. it is almost impossible to spray paint
anything on a big boat without a whole LOT of covering all the adjacent area with a tarp.
and again – the more thin coats you can apply the better the UV resistance will be.
good luck !! keep us in the loop when it is ready to deliver.

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#7 posted 04-30-2018 12:29 PM

They actually sell this to outdoor sign makers. they coat the sign with it so the paint doesnt fade and degrade so much.
I took it back and exchanged it for the can like you showed me here.
What do you recommend I thin it with?

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#8 posted 04-30-2018 01:55 PM

like all paint manufacturers, Pettit “suggests” using their proprietary blend of thinners.
the Pettit 120 Thinner actually costs more than the varnish itself !!!!
when I used the Pettit products on signs or boat parts, I called the tech rep at Pettit
and he said to use the highest quality Mineral Spirits I could find.
so you look for 100% PURE Mineral Spirits.
the common mineral spirits that is labeled “Paint Thinner” or “odorless” is actually recycled spirits
that could contain unwanted contaminants that has the potential to give you less than satisfactory results.
experienced sign painters, such as myself, learn to be “mixologists” when it comes to paints.
because – we are always painting in ever changing conditions. whether in the shop or in the field,
one blend will not be the same for the next job.

so – depending on the wood you are using (you have not said yet), and assuming you are going to finish
your project indoors, you have a controlled environment.
When application temperatures are high (75*f. and above) slow thinners are recommended to improve
brushability and flow of the product. 100% Pure Mineral Spirits is the “No.1 go to” thinner for most products.
the second choice for a slower thinner would be 100% Pure Turpentine or Naphtha.
if I do not use the proprietary sealer for a project, I use the 50/50 mix to soak into the wood as the sealer.
Note: the mixing of thinners or other additives is by volume; not by weight.
then up to 25% then up to 15% then 10% for each successive coat. 5 or 6 coats minimum for a good, hard
finish that gives more UV protection. Pettit suggests sanding and waiting 24 hours between coats.
following the basic painting curriculum, you will achieve very satisfactory results. (100% PURE is the key word).
hope this helps !!
looking forward to your completed project – I know your client will be very pleased.

Note: once a product has been thinned ~ it is called “modified”.
never return any modified products back to the original container or it “could” spoil the whole can.
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Read, Understand and Follow the instructions on the label of all products you use.
Pay particular attention to the safety notes and heed the warnings accordingly.
any rags used in the prepping/finishing process that have paint, stain, solvents,
or oils on them, should be laid out in the open to completely air dry prior to discarding them.
improperly discarding rags that have wet oils and finishes on them could result
in spontaneous combustion that could result in a fire causing personal injury
or the total loss of your shop or home.

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#9 posted 05-01-2018 01:08 PM

The Wood is Flamed Boxelder. Thanks John. You are a wealth of Knowledge on finishes and “Mixology”. I got 100% pure mineral spirits for the thinner or Modifier. Will have a final picture in about 2 weeks.

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#10 posted 05-09-2018 09:52 PM

Finished John. first attempt with the Pettit system. Works soooo much better than the Minwax product.
I have plenty left. I will practice with my brush technique.

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#11 posted 05-09-2018 10:04 PM

wow – very nice !! I’m sure your customer will be very pleased.
remember, for maximum UV protection, it will take at least 8 coats.
a boat on the water takes 14 coats with a touch-up every season.
again, great job !!

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#12 posted 05-09-2018 11:25 PM

Love me some box alder.

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