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Forum topic by ThePeoplesWoodshop posted 04-21-2018 01:01 PM 505 views 0 times favorited 8 replies Add to Favorites Watch
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ThePeoplesWoodshop

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04-21-2018 01:01 PM

Topic tags/keywords: hand tools atkins saw traditional recondition restore hand saw

So I am reconditioning this beauty that i borrowed from my mother in law to cut some coins on some massive red and white oak trunks destined for be live edge tables.

Anyone ever used one of these babies and or reconditioned them?
I jumped the gun and ordered a raker gauge and didn’t realize it was made for the big two man saws. I think i’m going to have to make my own jig for setting the raker teeth once my feeler gauge comes in the mail. Don’t see many small one man raker gauges available anywhere.


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waho6o9

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#1 posted 04-21-2018 01:39 PM

Welcome to LJ’s TPW!

Try this thread as well:
http://lumberjocks.com/topics/27984#first-new

Nice saw there.

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HerbC

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#2 posted 04-21-2018 06:52 PM

If by “coins” you intended to mean crosscut sections of whole logs, the term is “cookies” ...

If you plan to use oak cookies for table tops you will almost certainly have troubles with radial cracking of the cookies due to differential expansion. Bottom line is that oak cookies will almost certainly split badly as they dry and will not make good tabletops.

Good Luck!

Be Careful!

Herb

-- Herb, Florida - Here's why I close most messages with "Be Careful!" http://lumberjocks.com/HerbC/blog/17090

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Tim

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#3 posted 04-23-2018 12:44 PM

I’ve not seen raker gauge that works on one with that tooth pattern either. I had an old micrometer depth gauge like the on below that worked well. Feeler gauges and a straightedge should work fine.

You can find other sources online and videos on youtube, but this Crosscut Saw Manual from the Forest Service is a good start on learning to sharpen and take care of them.
https://www.fs.fed.us/t-d/pubs/pdfpubs/pdf77712508/pdf77712508dpi72.pdf

This series of youtube videos is decent too, but the editing is poor and there are gaps and repeated parts:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kD976NlxrSE

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Tim

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#4 posted 04-23-2018 12:46 PM

Oh yeah and like Herb said your cookies will crack, you’ll just have to include that in your design. There are some expensive chemical options to try to reduce that, but they don’t entirely work either apparently.

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ThePeoplesWoodshop

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#5 posted 04-23-2018 01:40 PM

Definitely aware of checking and i plan for these to end up with epoxy and bowtie keys depending on how they turn out. also going to experiment with drilling the pith on some and leaving in the others and see what i get.

Ya tim, i’m gonna use it work jointing and probably sell it on ebay or just keep it as it’s a pretty cool little tool and who knows maybe i’ll end up with a two man some day down the road. I’ve been watching all that dudes videos. There’s another one with just stills and text instructions that’s actually for this specific saw which if i would have watched before i ordered the raker, i’d know it doesn’t bloody fit my saw! that does a really detailed in depth job of going through the entire process of filing

I kinda figured something with the feeler gauge, either that or build myself a little jig.

Got the saw vice built yesterday but i’m going to have to do a bit of modification to get it to sit in my moxon vice properly. whoever owned this previously clearly did not know how to properly file one of these. It’s not god awful but i’m going to have to refile all the gullets between teeth

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Clarkswoodworking

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#6 posted 04-23-2018 08:27 PM

I have an old set of saw sharping tools and I have no idea what to do with them
Can you use these ?

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Loren

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#7 posted 04-23-2018 10:29 PM

If you’ve never seen those lumberjack competitions
what they do with saws and axes is jawdropping.

I have a similar saw I bought at an auction for about
$2. I think it has a removable second handle near
the far end. I put it up on a high shelf and haven’t
looked at it in a long time.

https://www.fhwa.dot.gov/environment/recreational_trails/publications/fs_publications/pdf/pdf77712508lo.pdf

http://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?topic=94065.0

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ThePeoplesWoodshop

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#8 posted 04-24-2018 11:26 AM

Clark, that’s a nice little haul you have there and actually yes i am rather in need of a saw set and a spider was going to fashion something out of some scrap junk to make a spider but that one on the far left would be perfect!

How much would you want for that first saw set with the screw on the top and the spider on the far left?
I’m most definitely interested!

The raker gauges are actually made for two hand saws which i learned AFTER i bought my atkins gauge so the gap for setting the rakers is too wide. They don’t fetch much it seams online but you could still make a hundred or so with the lot if you cleaned em up!

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