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ND2ELK

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2314 days ago

Topic tags/keywords: tablesaw bandsaw planer jointer

I just received a packet on Laguna Tools the other day. I have never used them or know anything about them. I would appreciate any input you could give me on the Laguna Tools. Thanks!

These are some of the stationary machines I was planning on buying for my new shop. I see that Laguna tools makes similar machines.

1. Powermatic Model 66 – 10” Table Saw (5hp, 1ph)
2. Powermatic Model PWS-14CS – 14” Band Saw
3. Jet Model 708475, 12” Planer/Jointer

-- Mc Bridge Cabinets, Iowa


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Thos. Angle

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#1 posted 2314 days ago

Tom,
I have no personal experience with them but they are a high end product. Tom(mot) was telling about a high performance band saw blade he saw at a show. I think the resale value stays pretty high on these tools and the performance is supposed to be tops.

-- Thos. Angle, Jordan Valley, Oregon

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GaryK

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#2 posted 2314 days ago

I have heard nothing but good about them.

I have been looking at that jointer/planer myself.

-- Gary - Never pass up the opportunity to make a mistake look like you planned it that way - Tyler, TX

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ND2ELK

13495 posts in 2371 days


#3 posted 2314 days ago

If I had the space I would go with a seperate jointer and planer. Because my shop is so darn small I thought this may be the way to go for now. I would put the Planer/Jointer on a mobile base and pull it out when needed. Thank you Tom And Gary for your input. You guys have a nice day.

God Bless
tom

-- Mc Bridge Cabinets, Iowa

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tenontim

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#4 posted 2314 days ago

I think FWW rated one of their table saws highly.

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motthunter

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#5 posted 2314 days ago

Laguna tools are fantastic.. and the price matches. Their strongest tool is their bandsaw. I almost bought one, but the price went up and I went powermatic.

The table saw is also great. You can get a dual blade to score sheetstock before the main blade cuts it leaving zero chipout. Their sliding table and built in mobile base is also great.

The only reason I don’t own their tools is because of cost. I can’t justify spending this much for tools when I travel so much and have so little shop time these days. If you can afford them though, go for it. They used to have a free DVD that demos all the tools. Maybe you can see them on the web site.

-- making sawdust....

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dlcarver

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#6 posted 2314 days ago

TOM
If you put it on caster wheels or the likes, you will half to have a way to block the wheels, or put locking wheels on it…. but only for light work. When I do boards six, eight or ten feet long, I clamp it to my small eight inch table saw, which has a good strong wood frame it sits on. If you are talking about the bench type planer….. it has a tendency to be top heavy and topple over when doing long boards. Give some thought to this. I am cramped for space too….....I have a Grizzly, on caster wheels. I love their product. I will post a question on the planer at a later date.

DAVE

-- Dave Leitem,Butler,Pa.,http://dlcarver.etsy.com

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teenagewoodworker

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#7 posted 2314 days ago

i don’t have an experience but i really like their new lathe. it has 47” between centers, a 18” swing, and 2 horsepower. if I’m ever looking for a bigger lathe thats the one i want.

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Garyswood

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#8 posted 2313 days ago

Tom,
I was recently seriously considering a jointer/planer combo. There are several out there but for the price, features and ease my favorite was the new Grizzly. I look at the JET at a local woodcraft store and was not thrilled. The mechanism for the blade guard seemed “flimsy” and was something that has to be reset for every use unlike a “normal” jointer guard.There was something else I was disappointed with but cant rember what it was now. I don’t have a local Grizzly store to my “research” is limited to product descriptions.
Please let us know what you decide.

-- Gary

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pcswoodchick

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#9 posted 781 days ago

I will tell you a little something about Laguna Tools. My BF and I bought a wood lathe off of them and before we even ordered it we had some questions that we needed answered. Well to say the least they will tell you anything you want to hear. One of the main questions was about whether or not the centers were true. We were told that they were perfect and when we received the lathe the centers were off by 1/4”. When we ordered it we were told that it would ship in 2 days but it took 2 weeks for them to ship it and it took another 2 weeks for it to get here. When I called in they made an excuse that they had to do inventory. Once we discovered the problem with the centers we noticed even more. The headstock just flopped around and wouldn’t stay locked(according to laguna that is the way it is supposed to be), the tool rest and tail stock never stayed locked either. The bed wasn’t machined right and had high and low points. We had contacted Laguna several times and all we were told was that they lathes they had there didn’t do what the one we had done. We had to demand for our money back and finally after three weeks they had contacted us to make arrangements to have it shipped back to them. Thus another nightmare. They had sent a bill of laden to us for the truck driver and after waiting 2 weeks to hear from them I made a phone call. I was told that the company that was supposed to pick it up didn’t have the type of truck to haul it so they dent it to another company, then that company said the same and sent it to yet another company. Well at this point I was fed up so I called Laguna again and was hung up on. So I of course called back and was told that they would have it picked up that day. I was late for work because of waiting for the truck to pick it up. Finally, Three days later a truck did show up for the piece of crap this only after I threatened to cut it up into tiny pieces and send it back through the us mail. It took yet another 2 weeks for them to get it back. They even tried to sells us another(not even in their dreams!) After calling for the past few weeks did we get our money back. So after my experience with Laguna tools I wouldn’t even recommend them to my worst enemy. It took 3 months for them to make things right after fighting with them! You will not find many reviews for them but when Googled there are a few and they are not good. So everybody please save yourself a nightmare and a headache and pay the extra and get a good lathe or any other tool!

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knotscott

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#10 posted 781 days ago

Not every Laguna tool is fantastic….I’m sure some are, but some are also made in China in the same plants from the same parts as other less expensive versions under other names (the Grizzly G0690/G0691 comes to mind). Being made in China doesn’t automatically equate to poor quality, but don’t assume everything with the Laguna nameplate is top shelf…it’s not. Things are typically made in China to cut costs. Some of their better bandsaws are made in Italy. I’ve also read a disproportionate number of customer service complaints in recent years ….not a good sign for such a small company.

My advice is to research each one of their tools independently and know what you’re buying, don’t just shell out a premium because of the name and assume you’re getting what you paid for.

-- Happiness is like wetting your pants...everyone can see it, but only you can feel the warmth....

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a1Jim

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#11 posted 781 days ago

PcswoodChick

I have had similar experiences with Laguna unless there was a free trial with them paying shipping both ways I would not recommend or buy another Laguna tool . Like Scott said don’t assume that that their tools are all good. They had very good reviews on the band saw I bought years ago and I feel their riding on those old reviews for all their tools.

-- http://artisticwoodstudio.com Custom furniture

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AHuxley

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#12 posted 781 days ago

Laguna’s European machines are all high quality, particularly their bandsaws made by ACM in Italy (16HD and above). Their Asian made tools are quite poor in comparison and I don’t think they have learned to deal with CS on these lower end tools since they brought those lines in, it takes a completely different response and approach. The only Chinese made machines they have that are worth buying are the LT 3000 series bandsaws. Their bandsaw guides and resaw blade are the best, period. They are simply a company you have to resaerch your purchase your purchase and consider it carefully and that likely means excluding all but their bandsaws if made in China. That said my CS from them has been excellent but I have always stuck with their forte’ bandsaws and bandsaw accessories.

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MonteCristo

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#13 posted 781 days ago

I joined this forum partly because I noticed some very frank comments about Laguna Tools, comments that are suppressed on some other forums. (In fact I was banned from one of the bigger forums simply because I tried to share what others have share here.) And while I suspect it is still possible to have a good experience with Laguna Tools, in my experience the majority of the nightmare stories that have been posted about Laguna Tools here are likely almost all true.

I dealt with Laguna Tools for a number of years, drawn as many are by what seemed to be high end tools with features not found on a lot of brands. Tornben Helshoj’s folksy videos had me convinced that, despite the high cost of their tools, it would be worth it. In hindsight, I think I was rather in awe of them and I paid for it, believe me.

Initially I bought an LT24/17 (24” ACM bandsaw, 17” resaw) and a TSS sliding table saw (made in Bulgaria). This deal went fine, although the TSS had a few issues that I decided to fix myself.

The crap really hit the fan when I bought Laguna’s swing arm and large support table to soup up my TSS.
f you Google “Laguna Tools – good tools, bad service” and check out the thread with the word Canadian as part of it, you’ll see what’s left of my posts on one of the other forums.

Since I parted company with Laguna Tools (after buying ResawKings, a power feeder, shaper heads, two driftmasters . . .) I think things have got a lot worse. Instead of being happy with the high end of the market, one where I think they actually were doing pretty well, Laguna seems to have decided that the company had to grow and sell more, even if it meanst introducing cheaper, Chinese lines they and other stuff that’s no where near the quality that they were initially know for.

Anyways, it took a while, but in the end I traced Laguna Tools’ problems right to the very top of the company. I have talked personally to one of the principals of the company (not Torben Helshoj but someone close to him) and have zero doubt as to why Laguna has such a notorious CS record. It amazes me that they are still in business. Good customer service is a no brainer – look at the success of Grizzly, despite serious quality issues earlier on.

BOTTOK LINE : If you deal with Laguna Tools and have a nightmare experience, don’t say you weren’t warned !!

-- Dwight - "Free legal advice available - contact Dewey, Cheetam & Howe""

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