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Forum topic by lanwater posted 05-19-2011 09:13 PM 2212 views 0 times favorited 74 replies Add to Favorites Watch
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05-19-2011 09:13 PM

For the year I have been on this site some people have decided to leave and asked to be removed from the site. Once that is done, all their posting have disapeared as well and many links become dead (favorites).

I believe all posting should be left (including my crapy ones if I ever decide to leave).

I am not talking of ownership or anything of that nature.

Many other sites do not erase posting when the poster decide to leave.

-- Abbas, Castro Valley, CA


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#1 posted 05-19-2011 09:20 PM

i guess it’s a question
of perceived copyright’s

whether true or not

-- david - only thru kindness can this world be whole . If we don't succeed we run the risk of failure. Dan Quayle

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#2 posted 05-19-2011 09:25 PM

I think a good warning when you post should suffice.
I believe the site has ownership of posting not the projects.

-- Abbas, Castro Valley, CA

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#3 posted 05-19-2011 09:28 PM

I personally DO NOT give up the right to remove any and/or all of my posted projects when and/or if I so choose to remove them. I own them and claim that right. I get no compensation for my participation on LJs or for posting any project for others to see/appreciate other than the temporary space to post such projects. When/if I go, so should they.

-- HorizontalMike -- "Woodpeckers understand..."

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#4 posted 05-19-2011 09:43 PM

Horizontal Mike: I totally understand your point.
Then the question would be what to do with all the cached data that the search engines keep from this site and other.

What about the picture or tutorial I (and others maybe) copied from this site?

-- Abbas, Castro Valley, CA

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#5 posted 05-19-2011 10:02 PM

I just read the terms of service, and it’s pretty clear that the site has license to display your content only as long as you agree to have it posted here. And so it should be.

-- Charlie M. "Woodworking - patience = firewood"

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#6 posted 05-19-2011 10:07 PM

lanwater: You really can’t put the toothpaste back in the tube once you squeeze it out. The same principle pretty much holds true for posting content to the internet.

-- Charlie M. "Woodworking - patience = firewood"

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#7 posted 05-19-2011 10:15 PM

Ianwater, I completely agree with HorizontalMike. If it’s my projects, blogs, workshop pics, reviews, or forum topics I think that they should go when/if I go. Naturally the comments made by me would stay. But I can see you point somewhat, I have a blog that I want to take down because it didn’t draw a single comment. It has been read a few hundred times but if not drawing any interest I feel like I should pull it. The only reason I haven’t is some LJ hit the favorites button. I don’t know if it’ll be deleted from their favorites, after all I put it out there for LJs to use, so I leave it

-- Darrell, making more sawdust than I know what to do with

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#8 posted 05-19-2011 10:42 PM

I hope I did not come across as harsh when claiming my rights, as that was not my intent though I do have a misunderstanding with LJs. LJs is in a business and that business is inviting folks to share their individual WW expertise with others. Compensation for sharing your WW expertise with others is in the form of temporary web space to store your projects and blogs.

Hence my personal rub with LJs in that I have had one of my WW Projects removed from the Projects Page by LJs site management (100yr old hand plane restoration project) under the guise of it not being a WW project, yet other OLDER hand plane restorations were left intact and posted and other NEWER hand plane restorations were added and left intact and posted as well. Consistency is lacking concerning LJs Projects posting policies and as I said earlier, THAT IS OUR ONLY TANGIBLE COMPENSATION FOR AGREEING TO PARTICIPATE ON LJs FORUMS.

-- HorizontalMike -- "Woodpeckers understand..."

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#9 posted 05-19-2011 11:26 PM

Charlie: Every site review their terms of service from time to time. But yes it would be a bit problematic for existing projects.
I must say I did not see the terms of service, I did not look very hard.

Devann: The poster own their project, copyright etc… The posting acutually belong to the site at least IMO.

HorizontalMike: It was not harsh, just strait to the point :)

I am well aware of your plane restoration posting that vanished. I have seen and read it and appreciated it. I did not comment since I have not done any restoration yet and have no meaningfull input in that regard.
I think I read MsDebbie’s saying they are revising those rules.

I really believe posted work should stay behing for other to see. it is very disconserting when a project/post refer to another that is no longer there.
As an exmple: I look at X, Y, Z and many other tutorials and create a board based on that. I always give credit and a link I do not repeat the tutorial (it is not mine).
Someone else comes along and look at my work and decides to go see that tutorial but it is no longer there..

-- Abbas, Castro Valley, CA

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HorizontalMike

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#10 posted 05-19-2011 11:46 PM

lanwater,
Yeah, I keep trying to get Martin or MsDebbie to address this issue but to no avail. Martin even deleted my post on this just yesterday (twice) for posting his related PM and my PM request for clarification/revision. All Martin did was PM me to stop posting PMs and again ignored my request to revise Projects posting policies. I think he just wants me to go off and be disrespectful or something, anything to suspend my account. At least it seems that way more often than not.

You wouldn’t have the link for that MsDebbie post would you? I noticed 2 hand plane restoration projects posted 3-days ago are still up on the Projects page, just no statement of revision of policies or anything related.

-- HorizontalMike -- "Woodpeckers understand..."

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#11 posted 05-20-2011 12:05 AM

HorizontalMike: It’s in the Emag below is the relevant part:

“Also, regarding our site, we are in the process of revamping the posting rules. There have been lots of discussion lately about what you the members would like to see happen on the site. We have listened to all the suggestions and I, for one, look forward to the new possibilities for LumberJocks.com”

-- Abbas, Castro Valley, CA

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#12 posted 05-20-2011 01:13 AM

lanwater,
I’m sorry but what emag? This is not something I see nor can find. I found some archives, but they are all 2010 and older. Where do I find this and how do I know I am in the right place?

-- HorizontalMike -- "Woodpeckers understand..."

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#13 posted 05-20-2011 06:29 AM

I usually receive it through email. I don’t remember subscribing.

I do not have a link for it.

Maybe PM msDebbie for the link.

-- Abbas, Castro Valley, CA

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#14 posted 05-20-2011 11:11 AM

here is a link to the latest newsletter

and you can sign up for it on that archive page http://lumberjocks.com/emag

-- ~ Debbie, Canada (https://www.facebook.com/DebbiePribeleENJOConsultant)

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#15 posted 05-20-2011 02:51 PM

MsDebbieP,
Is there a reason for current LJs eMag to NOT be available via a normal link or button on the LJs site? Or is it a problem with my browser not being able to “see” properly? I use Firefox v4.0.1 for nearly all of my browsing. When clicking on the archive link the only eMags (now that I am aware of it) all that I see are greater than 6-months old (Nov 2010 and before).

Unfortunately, I try to keep my email inbox as clean as possible and do NOT sign up for any email periodicals at all. I conduct ALL of my LJs business on the website when logged in, only. FWIW, I do this with all web groups that I belong to so this is NOT unique to how I treat LJs.

QUESTION:
++ How can I have real-time access to current issues of this LJs eMag without signing up for a periodical?

++ Is this LJs eMag the only place to get policy updates/news?

-- HorizontalMike -- "Woodpeckers understand..."

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