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Forum topic by jma254 posted 05-17-2011 04:19 PM 1374 views 0 times favorited 9 replies Add to Favorites Watch
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jma254

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05-17-2011 04:19 PM

Hi everyone. I am in a position where I have decided to invest in some wood working machinery. My background is I have about 2 years of training renting time in other people’s shops making furniture for my own personal use. My primary business is in need of a significant number of custom wood working fixtures that if I had to purchase would be prohibitively expensive so I have decided to just do them myself. Specifically I will be making shelving, check-out counters and custom store fixtures often out of reclaimed wood. With that in mind I have done some research and had some questions about the tools.

Shop Configuration number one
Woodmaster Model 718 Molder/Planer
Dewalt 12 in Sliding Miter
Grizzly 8”x72” jointer
Dust collector Unit
Used Drill Press
Grizzly 14” 2 HP Band Saw
Questions……
-Do you think I need the jointer if I am using the Woodmaster 718?
-Will I be able to get away without a table saw, using the Woodmaster for ripping and tongue and groove?
-Obviously a wide-belt sander is ideal but can I get away with a drum sander conversion like the Wood Master?

Shop configuration number two
Dewalt 12 in Sliding Miter
Grizzly 8”x72” jointer
Grizzly 15” Planer
Grizzly 15” wide-belt sander
Dust collector
Used Drill press
Grizzly 10” 3 HP Table Saw
Grizzly 14” 2 HP Band Saw
Air compressor

Overall I’d appreciate any suggestions or ideas on which proposed shop or combination of the two makes sense for about 500-600 hours of wood working a year. Thanks in advance.


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WayneC

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#1 posted 05-17-2011 05:03 PM

Have you given any consideration to a good router/router table? Also as general as your building needs are, I would be surprised if you would want to do with out a table saw.

Perhaps instead of a used drill press you could get a used shopsmith. Older ones are not too expensive on craigslist.

-- We must guard our enthusiasm as we would our life - James Krenov

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jma254

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#2 posted 05-17-2011 05:06 PM

Yes I agree I need a table saw, after checking again I misread the specs on the Woodmaster and didn’t realize it couldnt cut anything thicker than 1.5” This forum is already helping. As for a router it is definately in my plans but I see it as more of an accessory then a major piece of equipment I need to put a lot of planning into.

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WayneC

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#3 posted 05-17-2011 05:16 PM

Bandsaw is also a very useful tool…

Big router in a table is a serious tool that you can do lots of things with such as make custom molding.

You could also go the hand tool route. Check this book out if there is interest here. He has a good tool/shop requirement list.

http://www.amazon.com/New-Traditional-Woodworker-Tool-Skill/dp/1440304289/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1305645333&sr=1-1

-- We must guard our enthusiasm as we would our life - James Krenov

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Dan

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#4 posted 05-17-2011 06:12 PM

If I had to give up all my power tools the table saw would be the last to go. The jointer, planer, table saw and drill press are my most used big machines.

A lot of it will depend on what you are planning on building.

-- Dan - "Collector of Hand Planes"

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Loren

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#5 posted 05-17-2011 06:48 PM

For working with heavy reclaimed wood, I’d get a big bandsaw, 20”
is good.

A standard table saw is a poor tool for squaring heavy timbers
and slabs. For big timbers, get a 14” or 16” DeWalt Radial arm saw.

I don’t rely as heavily on a jointer as I used to. My working methods
have developed and changed. I straight-line some stuff, but I also
work with hand-held electric planers on bigger timbers. Easier for
me to take the tool to the work.

A Woodmaster is not a substitute for a jointer. It can straight-line
though.

I don’t know your aesthetic, so it’s a bit difficult to speculate on what
machinery will make your work most efficient.

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Minorhero

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#6 posted 05-17-2011 07:38 PM

I would not want to skip out on a jointer. The wide belt sander is a luxury item, if it came down to it the jointer is a lot more important then the wide belt sander. Especially since your wide belt sander is the same width as your planer which really means it is not doing much that your planer is not already doing for you.

How big are the pieces of reclaimed wood you plan on using? If you are going to be doing a lot of resawing you are going to want to have a bigger bandsaw then 14”. If you do not plan on doing much resawing work then the 14” one is fine.

The other thing you need to buy if you do not already have is a good metal detector and moisture meter. Nothing worse when using reclaimed wood then finding a hidden nail as it goes through your planer, or using wood that is dry on the outside but wet inside.

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Bertha

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#7 posted 05-17-2011 08:18 PM

I would place a solid router table or shaper immediately beneath a tablesaw on the list. If you’re amenable to vintage tools, you could add quite a few solid tools, staying within your current budget.

-- My dad and I built a 65 chev pick up.I killed trannys in that thing for some reason-Hog

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jusfine

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#8 posted 05-17-2011 11:46 PM

I would agree with hero and Al. Metal detectors will save you money in the long run.

Many of the older stationary tools can be had for the same or less money than Grizzly and are better built (feels warm in here, ok, here come the flames…).

-- Randy "You are judged as much by the questions you ask as the answers you give..."

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DougC

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#9 posted 05-18-2011 02:59 AM

Look into the Bosch Glide 12” miter saw vs a rail type slider (I have no connection with Bosch). It will cut 14”, yet fit tight to the wall. The rail type sliders need quite a bit of room. You also adjust the compound angle tilting from the front of the saw. I just picked up the Bosch a week or so ago and so far am very happy with it. Here is a video on the saw: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I10K3N-UCnY

And I agree with most on the post, a good table saw is a MUST !

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