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Forum topic by jerkylips posted 05-16-2011 07:17 PM 1088 views 0 times favorited 13 replies Add to Favorites Watch
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jerkylips

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05-16-2011 07:17 PM

I posted the other day asking a couple questions about table saws. I’m looking at a couple different Ridgid saws right now because I can get an add’l 20% off at HD & can get one for about $400. The the two I’m looking at are the Ridgid 4511 & 4512. One is a contractor saw & the other is a portable/jobsite on a stand with wheels.

I don’t necessarily need it to be portable, but I have enough friends & family asking for help with projects that I can’t rule it out. I’ve heard that if you don’t “need” portability, that a contractor/stationary saw is better.

So the simple question is, what can I expect that a contractor saw can do/do better than a portable saw won’t do for me?

Right now I’m leaning toward the portable saw “just in case” I need to take it somewhere, unless I can be convinced otherwise..

As far as how I plan to use it, right now it’s mainly going to be used to build some storage/shelving units, basic stuff, but I have had an interest in woodworking for a long time & would like to turn it into a more “advanced” hobby at some point.


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Bertha

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#1 posted 05-16-2011 07:19 PM

I can’t help you on those particular saws but I do know that the Bosch portable has a really good reputation around here. Good luck!

-- My dad and I built a 65 chev pick up.I killed trannys in that thing for some reason-Hog

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#2 posted 05-16-2011 07:39 PM

”...what can I expect that a contractor saw can do/do better than a portable saw won’t do for me?...”

There’s not much that a good portable won’t do in terms of cutting, but aside from ease of portability, a decent stationary saw will have just about every other advantage you can mention….from safety, mass, stability, reliability, ease of use, joy of use, operating space in front of the blade, torque, vibration, noise level, smoothness, ability to upgrade parts/accessories, repair feasibility, resale value, etc. It’s really not an even comparison. It’s very easy to upgrade the fence, wings, motor, belt,etc., on a stationary saw, and many of them are actually interchangeable….not so with a portable. You’re far more likely to outgrow the portable if you don’t need the portability. The majority of wwers upgrade from a portable or benchtop to a stationary saw, and very few reverse that trend….for good reason. Take your circular saw and a straight edge to your relative’s houses, or cut the major pieces in your shop for them.

The R4511 and R4512 are both full size Ridgid stationary saws…the R4511 is discontinued. Did you mean the R4510 as the portable?

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CharlieM1958

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#3 posted 05-16-2011 07:54 PM

Scott is right. Don’t buy a portable “just in case”. The major difference, in my experience, is the size of the table and quality of the fence. Those two factors alone will make your hobby immensely more enjoyable with the full-sized saw.

Buying the portable would be like buying a Yugo instead of a Cadillac, just in case you ever bought a house with a smaller garage. :-)

-- Charlie M. "Woodworking - patience = firewood"

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Jack_T

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#4 posted 05-16-2011 08:22 PM

I like Charlie’s analogy.

I also agree with cr1. You don’t lug your saw to help friends. That is what circular saws are for.

-- Jack T, John 3:16 "For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, so that everyone who believes in him might not perish but might have eternal life."

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brianlee

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#5 posted 05-16-2011 11:31 PM

Contractor saws were originally made for home builders and remodelers (contractors) because cabinet saws were too heavy to move around. Because even contractor-style saws can be difficult moving from job site to job site, portable saws were developed for contractors because they wanted something even lighter to carry around than contractor saws. Portable saws are designed to be light, so many things are sacrificed in order to reduce weight. And one of the biggest sacrifices is accuracy—but this doesn’t really bother contractors because they are not building kitchen cabinets with these things.
I used a contractor saw for years before finally getting enough cash together to afford a good cabinet saw. The difference between the two is like night and day. If you purchase the portable saw I can guarantee your “interest in woodworking” is going to turn into disappointment.
Buy the contractor saw!

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patron

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#6 posted 05-17-2011 12:08 AM

in this case

BIGGER IS BETTER
i do contracting
and have a shop too
even lugging a ‘portable’
is a pain
when you get to the site
about all you can do is throw it on the ground
or come up with horses which you will need to work on too
they are fine for a small specific job
but cutting plywood or 16’ lumber is not safe
or accurate so back to skill saws and saw horses
any important work i do in the shop
where i can do a proper job
and not have the client over my shoulder
wondering why it’s taking so long to do
and is not as tight as he expects
he saves no money
i get frustrated
nobody wins

a decent contractor saw with side and end table
is a must for your goal building storage/shelving units
and as stated you will grow with the work when it is fun
but will drop out if it is a hassle
if your friends/family need something
get together and work out the plan
and build it where you can do it justice (shop)

and move it instead

-- david - only thru kindness can this world be whole . If we don't succeed we run the risk of failure. Dan Quayle

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rance

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#7 posted 05-17-2011 12:18 AM

I agree w/Charlie, except for DeWalt portables, the fences on all other portables are crap. And the fence makes the saw. Looks like you need to decide which is more important to you, lugging it elsewhere, or cutting larger sheets. I have both now so don’t have your delima.

-- Backer boards, stop blocks, build oversized, and never buy a hand plane--

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jerkylips

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#8 posted 05-17-2011 05:28 AM

you guys may have convinced me…. I do agree about buying a saw based on favors others may ask, but I have asked plenty of favors over the years & I think I’m starting to pay them back now….so it’s tough to say no sometimes if you know what I mean.

New development…found a Ridgid TS3612 locally. It’s orignal owner, all paperwork, appears to be in very good condition from the photos. It’s about 30 min away so I probably won’t get down there for a couple days, but if it pans out I can get it for $250. From what I understand, this is one that falls under the old lifetime warranty policy, regardless of owner. I’m excited!!

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#9 posted 05-17-2011 06:52 AM

I will do a little quoting here , the fences on all other portables are crap. And the fence makes the saw
and add ,the miter slots ,and miter gages, are usually non standard , CRAP

-- E J ------- Always Keep a Firm Grip on Your Tool

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knotscott

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#10 posted 05-17-2011 03:11 PM

The 3612 was the last of the Emerson US made saws made prior to the introduction of the TTI/Ryobi made TS3650 circa 2004, and was what many feel the best of them. With a good blade and good alignment, that saw will work well for you. $250 seems pretty good if it’s nice shape….original owner with paperwork is always a good sign that the saw was loved and cared for. Keep us posted!

-- Happiness is like wetting your pants...everyone can see it, but only you can feel the warmth....

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TJU

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#11 posted 05-17-2011 03:46 PM

I do a lot of favors for people and don’t mind doing them. It is nice to be able to help out when I can. I have a portable ts and a cabinet saw. I have not used my portable saw in 2 years. It is easier just to cut things at home or use a circular saw and straight edge. The only reason to buy a portable ts if you are doing most of your work on site like a general contractor would. I use to be a general contractor (technically I still am) and a lot of my old tools just sit around collecting dust. If you are going to be doing most of your work in your shop get a solid ts. You can always buy a cheaper portable ts later if you are going to have a need for it. You will find that you will have more need to bring your miter saw to different jobs than a ts.

Tim

-- Although the voices aren't real they have some pretty good ideas.

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Jack_T

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#12 posted 05-17-2011 07:50 PM

Jerkylips, don’t say no to your friends. Helping others is one of the best things about being a woodworker. I always help my friends. I just don’t bring my table saw to their house.

-- Jack T, John 3:16 "For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, so that everyone who believes in him might not perish but might have eternal life."

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#13 posted 05-17-2011 08:15 PM

Mandmj did a review on the R4511—http://lumberjocks.com/reviews/918
The R4512 has cast iron instead od granite.

I have an older one with cast iron table and wings that has wheels. A cabinet saw – it isn’t. If kept calibrated, my saw has been very good and accurate. I made and put a melamine extrension and that has worked really well.

-- David in Damascus, MD

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