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05-16-2011 06:59 PM

So! Martin you with your dominating iron rule have shut down our on going post. THANKS A LOT!!!!!
Do you and ONLY you get to decide what is and is not appropriate for this site? Who died and made you King?
The Stumpy post was a source of fun and entertainment for a group of this site’s most loyal and dedicated members. IF and that’s a big “IF”, this site is for the members, and the members want to ramble on about this and that, what is your part in shutting down a post? On the other hand. If this is YOUR site and for only YOU, then maybe our group of supporters need to go elsewhere, and let you be King of an empty LJ site.

Pop

-- One who works with his hands is a laborer, his hands & head A craftsman, his hands, head & heart a artist


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#1 posted 05-16-2011 07:06 PM

It made me feel distinctly unwelcome and I pointed that out to him. If you’re King, you do as you wish; but I always thought he enjoyed a wonderful reputation here. I think it was handled poorly.

-- My dad and I built a 65 chev pick up.I killed trannys in that thing for some reason-Hog

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#2 posted 05-16-2011 07:08 PM

Bentyl, I was talking about the StumpyNubs post that was pushing a 1000 post. It was about nothing and everything. It seems Martin cannot stand for something to get out of his control.

-- One who works with his hands is a laborer, his hands & head A craftsman, his hands, head & heart a artist

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#3 posted 05-16-2011 07:15 PM

I think the problem was,the title was offensive

-- E J ------- Always Keep a Firm Grip on Your Tool

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#4 posted 05-16-2011 07:16 PM

I suspect he ended it based more on the title than on actually reading the comments. Once again, it’s a shame we don’t still have the Coffee Lounge for off-topic stuff like this.

-- Charlie M. "Woodworking - patience = firewood"

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#5 posted 05-16-2011 07:16 PM

I mentioned that in my note to him, Bubinga.

I was most impressed with your website until now and you’ll notice that I’m quite active, supportive, and support your advertisers. Are you upset about the content or the argumentative nature of the title? I’m a moderator on another popular website and i consider the closing a bit brash. It could have been handled with a bit more poise. What does New Zealand have to do with anything? Simply bragging? I’m sure you’ll do just fine without me but I’ve said my piece/peace.

-- My dad and I built a 65 chev pick up.I killed trannys in that thing for some reason-Hog

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#6 posted 05-16-2011 07:22 PM

Bertha, It wasn’t poorly handled. It was a direct slap in the face of some of this site’s most loyal members. I guess He has made it clear “I would have done it before now” that he is in control and any one who questions that can go to Hell. His site subject control is a pain in the tush. Martin feels that the LJ site is HIS and not the members or that the members are too stupid to know what is and is not an expectable post.

Pop

-- One who works with his hands is a laborer, his hands & head A craftsman, his hands, head & heart a artist

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#7 posted 05-16-2011 07:26 PM

Yes. it’s a sad day for LJ’s…. I originally thought the Coffee Lounge was closed because of too many arguments. But that thread (http://lumberjocks.com/topics/26253#reply-282279) was SPECIFICALLY designed to prove we are not children and we can come to THIS site to be part of a community of fellow woodworkers without abusing any sense of decorum. I even titled it “I’m looking for a fight” because I knew it would show fights don’t start easy- not even when the thread invites one! Nearly 1000 posts and not one single fight, disagreement or problem of any kind. ANd we spoke often about woodworking related subjects.

LJ’s boasts tens of thousands of “members”- but more and more it appears to me that people are signing up, making a few comments and then leaving. How many are actually continous members of the “community”? I’d argue a lot less all the time because when you try and control the discussions in such a rigid way, you destroy the “community” feel of the site. And all you’re left with is a bunch of “members” who post more on other forums than here. I’d bet if you deducted everyone who hasn’t posted on here in the last 30 days from the membership roles, you’d find the total to be FAR less. And that’s just sad. This site could have so much more potential.

I also note that MANY of the most experienced, most knowledgeable woodworkers have left over the last year or so. All of that wisdom, gone. Often it’s been over unfair treatment by the moderators. (As I have been told on several occasions by some of them.)

So, a woodworking site with an ever shrinking number of experts, and an intentionally destroyed sense of community… what’s the point?

It’s time to rethink things, Martin. If you look at my record, I have ALWAYS backed you when you assert your right to make rules. I’ve received a great deal of criticism when I’ve stood up for you and this site. And I’ve NEVER complained up to now. This site is quickly losing it’s appeal for a lot of us. Please fix it.

BTW- This thread will be removed soon, I suspect. So tell your friends while you can.

-- Subscribe to "Stumpy Nubs Woodworking Journal"- One of the crafts' most unique publications: http://www.stumpynubs.com/

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#8 posted 05-16-2011 07:26 PM

I would have shut you all up before now, but i was off spending advertiser dollars on vacation? It was quite rude. I am exquisitely sensitive to anyone with the notion of “power” as an administrator of a website. It strikes me as incredibly pathetic.

-- My dad and I built a 65 chev pick up.I killed trannys in that thing for some reason-Hog

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#9 posted 05-16-2011 07:29 PM

I’ve spent over $10,000 on tools this year based 100% on LJ recommendations. And I KNOW i’m not the only one.

-- My dad and I built a 65 chev pick up.I killed trannys in that thing for some reason-Hog

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#10 posted 05-16-2011 07:38 PM

please remember that the post was made in the woodworking forums. The forums are meant for asking questions and posting tips regarding woodworking.

Everyone knows that the coffee lounge is missed and members who have been here for the past year or more should be aware of the reasons behind closing it. Rehashing the decision (again) is not going to increase the chances of it returning.

This isn’t about socializing with your peers. The family atmosphere is one of the components of what makes LumberJocks such a great site. This is about keeping the woodworking forums true to their intention and keeping LumberJocks a place for everyone of all ages from around the world to share their woodworking journey.

As always, your feedback is appreciated and it is taken into consideration as to what is best for the site and the membership as a whole.

-- ~ Debbie, Canada (https://www.facebook.com/DebbiePribeleENJOConsultant)

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#11 posted 05-16-2011 07:39 PM

-- Roger-R, Republic of Texas. "Always look on the Bright Side of Life" - An eyeball to eyeball confrontation with a blind person is as complete waste of Time.

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#12 posted 05-16-2011 07:40 PM

I have to apologize for stepping in – I just realized that this was a note for Martin. Sorry about that.

-- ~ Debbie, Canada (https://www.facebook.com/DebbiePribeleENJOConsultant)

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#13 posted 05-16-2011 07:43 PM

I know this is an international site. And cultures differ, even between Americans and Europeans (as I know from first hand experience). But I suspect the vast majority of members are American, and you’ll find that our culture reacts VERY strongly to perceived censorship and any “shut up, I make the rules and you’ll live with it” attitudes. (I am not saying that is in FACT Martin’s attitude, I am just saying that this is the perception more and more people seem to be getting.)

I can’t count how many of the good old experienced woodworkers have left recently. Maybe they are still counted as members (as their accounts are not cancelled) but they’ve stopped posting and commenting. And this is a growing problem that anyone who reads and posts here regularly has noticed. How long until the wave hits this site’s bottom line?

-- Subscribe to "Stumpy Nubs Woodworking Journal"- One of the crafts' most unique publications: http://www.stumpynubs.com/

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#14 posted 05-16-2011 07:46 PM

Hey Guys Do really think Martin gives a darn about what we say. I can tell you “NO.” His post on closing our thread says it all. He’s an arrogant soul who feels the great need for power.

I have another point I would like to know the answer to. When I read Martin’s page, it said all sorts of things about his technical accomplishments, but NOTHING about woodworking. Is he a hot shot computer whiz or is he even a woodworker? Is he even one of us?

Pop

-- One who works with his hands is a laborer, his hands & head A craftsman, his hands, head & heart a artist

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#15 posted 05-16-2011 07:48 PM

MS Debbie- I suspect that Pop would welcome your input. I certainly do.

Perhaps you can help us figure this all out. That thread was full of conversation about woodworking (including extensive conversations about Woodcraft, Sawstop, Roger’s project, etc), as well as friendly conversation. No fighting, just friends having fun. How was it out of harmony with “keeping the woodworking forums true to their intention and keeping LumberJocks a place for everyone of all ages from around the world to share their woodworking journey”?

A THOUSAND posts in about a month! This isn’t just a couple of troublemakers, there is a STRONG desire for freedom of conversation here!

Which forum should it have been posted in?

-- Subscribe to "Stumpy Nubs Woodworking Journal"- One of the crafts' most unique publications: http://www.stumpynubs.com/

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