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phillywoodshop

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04-04-2018 12:30 PM

Topic tags/keywords: sawstop quality tolerances tablesaw

i’ve heard that sawstop saws are just amazing in quality, super flat tables, 45/90 dead on, super smooth, little or no vibration, etc

are there any other table saws that are of such quality, especially flatness of the surface?

thanks


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#1 posted 04-04-2018 12:39 PM

This is some kind of trick question, right?

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phillywoodshop

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#2 posted 04-04-2018 12:50 PM

no, it’s real, the reviews of sawstop that i’ve read draw me to sawstop even without the blade brake

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#3 posted 04-04-2018 12:52 PM

Most of the full size cabinet saws are going to have that level of quality. How many get past quality control may vary from mfg to mfg, but in general Powermatic, Bailiegh, Laguna, Grizzly, etc. are all going to be heavy flat pieces of equipment that can be dialed in more that exact enough for woodworking. None of them, currently, will have the sawstop safety features.

I can’t offer any opinion on the hybrid saws. They have much less of common design between models.

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#4 posted 04-04-2018 12:54 PM

Powermatic, Jet, and Delta make saws that are close (or, in some ways, better) in terms of quality. They’re all roughly comparable. Leaving aside the safety feature (which no one else offers), Powermatic saws tend to cost the same as Sawstop, and you can get a Jet or Delta for a little bit less.

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#5 posted 04-04-2018 12:55 PM

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#6 posted 04-04-2018 01:17 PM

thanks

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#7 posted 04-04-2018 01:38 PM

Saw Stop currently offers four difference table saw models that aren’t even comparable to each other, so an accurate comparison really needs to be model specific. The jobsite saw and the contractor saw are not in the league of the Industrial Cabinet Saw (ICS) and Professional Cabinet Saw (PCS).

The SS jobsite saw still suffers from similar draw backs as any lighter weight jobsite saw.

The SS contractors saw comes with a fairly modest fence and steel wings, but is not the most saw in this price range. The safety mechanism is great, but for the same price, something like a Grizzly G1023RL offers a 3hp industrial cabinet saw with more power, better fence, solid cast wings, and much heavier duty underpinnings. A fence upgrade and cast iron wings add several hundred dollars to the price tag.

The SS PCS is a nice saw, but the stock configuration has a lesser fence than most $1500+ saws. With the T-Glide fence update, it has the potential to be a very nice saw. The 3hp option along with the T-Glide fence make for an extremely nice saw, but many feel that the Unisaw and PM2000 are nicer heavier duty saws in a similar price range.

The SS ICS is their top dog with great mechanisms and an excellent stock fence, and is arguably a heavier duty saw than the Unisaw or PM2000. The ICS price point puts it in competition with some very nice industrial sliders.

All saws require good setup and proper blade selection to be at their best. That’s a variable that can make a very notable difference in any saw.

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#8 posted 04-04-2018 01:55 PM



Saw Stop currently offers four difference table saw models, so an accurate comparison really needs to be model specific. The jobsite saw and the contractor saw are not in the league of the Industrial Cabinet Saw), and neither is the stock Professional Cabinet Saw (PCS).

The SS jobsite saw still suffers from similar draw backs as any lighter weight jobsite saw.

The SS contractors saw comes with a fairly modest fence and steel wings, but is not the most saw in this price range. The safety mechanism is great, but for the same price, something like a Grizzly G1023RL offers a 3hp industrial cabinet saw with more power, better fence, solid cast wings, and much heavier duty underpinnings. A fence upgrade and cast iron wings add several hundred dollars to the price tag.

The SS PCS is a nice saw, but the stock configuration has a lesser fence than most $1500+ saws. With the T-Glide fence update, it has the potential to be a very nice saw. The 3hp option along with the T-Glide fence make for an extremely nice saw, but many feel that the Unisaw and PM2000 are nicer heavier duty saws in a similar price range.

The SS ICS is their top dog with great mechanisms and an excellent stock fence, and is arguably a heavier duty saw than the Unisaw or PM2000. The ICS price point puts it in competition with some very nice industrial sliders.

All saws require good setup and proper blade selection to be at their best. That s a variable that can make a very notable difference in any saw.

- knotscott

You can get the T Glide and cast iron wings on the contractor saw. I did not realize though that the PCS came stock with their lower quality fence. That’s pretty lame.

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#9 posted 04-04-2018 02:09 PM


Saw Stop currently offers four difference table saw models, so an accurate comparison really needs to be model specific. The jobsite saw and the contractor saw are not in the league of the Industrial Cabinet Saw), and neither is the stock Professional Cabinet Saw (PCS).

The SS jobsite saw still suffers from similar draw backs as any lighter weight jobsite saw.

The SS contractors saw comes with a fairly modest fence and steel wings, but is not the most saw in this price range. The safety mechanism is great, but for the same price, something like a Grizzly G1023RL offers a 3hp industrial cabinet saw with more power, better fence, solid cast wings, and much heavier duty underpinnings. A fence upgrade and cast iron wings add several hundred dollars to the price tag.

The SS PCS is a nice saw, but the stock configuration has a lesser fence than most $1500+ saws. With the T-Glide fence update, it has the potential to be a very nice saw. The 3hp option along with the T-Glide fence make for an extremely nice saw, but many feel that the Unisaw and PM2000 are nicer heavier duty saws in a similar price range.

The SS ICS is their top dog with great mechanisms and an excellent stock fence, and is arguably a heavier duty saw than the Unisaw or PM2000. The ICS price point puts it in competition with some very nice industrial sliders.

All saws require good setup and proper blade selection to be at their best. That s a variable that can make a very notable difference in any saw.

- knotscott

You can get the T Glide and cast iron wings on the contractor saw. I did not realize though that the PCS came stock with their lower quality fence. That s pretty lame.

- YesHaveSome

If you choose the PCS with the 30” fence, it is not the T Glide style and is not as nice. The 36” and 52” fences are the T Glide. So only one model of the saw comes ‘stock’ with the lesser fence. I believe this is also true for the contractor model.

Brian

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#10 posted 04-04-2018 02:15 PM

Hmm… I smell spam. Not sure how to report it. Hopefully someone will do so!

- TimInIndiana

Just click the “Flag” button that is below the poster’s avatar to the left of the message. The piull down menu gives you the choice of “spam” or “abusive/offensive”.

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#11 posted 04-04-2018 02:27 PM


You can get the T Glide and cast iron wings on the contractor saw. I did not realize though that the PCS came stock with their lower quality fence. That s pretty lame.

- YesHaveSome

I’m not certain that offering the choice of the lesser fence is “lame”. They also offer the 1.75 horsepower motor as the base model. The 3 horsepower motor is an upgrade. No mobile base is standard. Either the PCS or ICS base is offered as an upgrade.

Perhaps it would seem more palatable if the T Glide fence was standard and there was a discount if you select the lesser fence. The bottom line is that they are just offering a choice. They also offer a choice of two types of over arm dust collection and the table size.

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#12 posted 04-04-2018 02:36 PM

If I had any thought of buying a Sawstop machine, I would get it done fairly soon.
Since the company sold out to the parent of Festool, there is adequate reason to predict that they will not leave the pricing at competitive levels.

-- Jim, Houston, TX

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#13 posted 04-04-2018 02:39 PM

Depends on what you want. For the price of a saw stop you can buy a vintage Tannewitz, Northfield, Oliver, or the like. Be prepared to move a heavy piece of Iron around though.

Oliver 88 Table saw probably the best ever made, but weighs in at 2000 pounds, needs a VFD or an RPC to provide 3 phase to the home work shop. But arguably the best table saw.

If you are only an occasional builder or home remodeler a Track saw will do much of what a table saw will with a much higher degree of safety, dust collection, and accuracy than a cheaper table saw.

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#14 posted 04-04-2018 02:40 PM



If I had any thought of buying a Sawstop machine, I would get it done fairly soon.
Since the company sold out to the parent of Festool, there is adequate reason to predict that they will not leave the pricing at competitive levels.

- jimintx

Instability with political situation on imports will also be a factor I think.

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#15 posted 04-05-2018 06:49 AM


Hmm… I smell spam. Not sure how to report it. Hopefully someone will do so!
- TimInIndiana

Not saying it couldn’t be spam, but if you look at the typical ‘what table saw to buy’ thread, the most common answers are:

1. Sawstop
2. Used Uni-delta-matic-grizz-jet
3. New saw of another brand (but no one every agrees on which is the one to get)

So if you’re new-ish and want to get a good saw, then it’s not surprising to me that people have the perception that Sawstop is high quality (which I think is probably correct for the PCS/ICS at least) but expensive.

If someone posted a question that read “I read that Powermatic saws are the bomb for reasons X, Y and Z, what other saws are of the same quality”, then they probably wouldn’t get accused of spam as it won’t have the emotional trigger that SS does.

Mike

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