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tinspoons

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04-02-2018 12:38 PM

So any and all help will be appreciated: so I’ve got about 2000 dollars max to play with. I know there are lots of good table saws for less than that and I’ve got some links to many for your expert advice. I’m just someone who wants to make some items for around the house and possibly sell some basic items at the farmers market. I have a very basic, 120 dollar saw that I’ve made basic pine items with and it’s not cutting it anymore.

In addition to advice on the links provided, I’d appreciate what users here would suggest. Does it make sense to buy the ‘most’ table saw for the money? or could it be better to buy something less expensive, but then be able to outfit it well? Such as dado stack, dust collection or even another tool that would be helpful. I have a lot of basic tools and power saws and a router. Because any table saw on this list would be a huge improvement, I’m open to a less advanced model, particularly if there’s no appreciable difference. That said, don’t want to cheap out either. Thought about getting a Ridgid/Delta but decided no and save to where I am now.

Basically, just looking to maximize my bang for the buck. And I know that sawstop is popular here, and my wife thinks it’s very important, but the only thing really affordable for less than 2k is their contractor saw and it seems like that’s overpriced compared to other saws (although none have that safety feature).

Thanks in advance for any and all help! Links for each item found in no particular order below. Also, I have looked for craigslist unicorns and found nothing. I also only have a station wagon to transport this so shipping is probably going to be necessary.

Jet Bayleigh Woodtek, Shop fox , Grizzly 1 Grizzly 2 Laguna f2 or f3 [Rikon]


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darthford

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#1 posted 04-02-2018 01:40 PM

You should be shopping for a USED cabinet saw with your budget. Delta, Powermatic, Jet cabinet saws can be had used in my area for well under $1,000 all week long. Dust collector, blades, out feed stands/rollers, setup tools to dial in your saw, precision squares, and so on will consume the rest of your budget easily.

Here’s a Delta that sold recently in my area, it was priced at $900

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RobHannon

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#2 posted 04-02-2018 01:40 PM

Generally I would say get the best you can afford, but do you already have a drill press and router? If you are in no rush, keep looking in the used market. You could find a G1023 or a PM66 for less than your new choices are running. I am seeing less Unisaws out there, but they certainly still exist and the older ones are bullt proof.

Also the G1023RL is on sale right now. Backordered, but on sale.

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rwe2156

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#3 posted 04-02-2018 01:41 PM

IMO you’re wise to stay away from consumer saws like Delta and Rigid.

I would keep an eye out for a used saw, too. As the poster noted, you should be able to pick up a full on 3HP cabinet saw for <$1200.

For what you’re describing, I think the Grizzly hybrid. For accessories, the first one is a dust collector. Keep in mind you will need a 220V circuit to run it (I would not run a 2HP saw on 110). You will also need a dedicated circuit for a DC.

A nice miter gauge like Incra or Jessem is also something to consider.
I think you’re on the right track.

-- Everything is a prototype thats why its one of a kind!!

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darthford

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#4 posted 04-02-2018 01:51 PM

The price of used cabinet saws has collapsed, I think due to Powermatic going to CHINA. Once the price of used Powermatic cabinet saws dropped from $2,000 to $1,000 it dragged everything else down with it. Even older Model 66 also about $1,000 in my area, sometimes $900. This dragged the Delta’s and others a bit lower as well. I saw several Delta cabinet saws in the $600-$800 range this morning.

I have a PM2000 that’s in like new condition I’m putting up for sale for $500 this week, blow out sale to get it out of my garage. They have been listed for about $900 in my area.

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jimintx

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#5 posted 04-02-2018 03:37 PM

Shopping for used tools is possibly the most common advice ever repeated here on Lumberjocks. For me, in Houston, it is potentially one of the most frustrating, exasperating and time consuming activities to pursue.

I’m always curious about where people live that find this a productive way to outfit a shop, and truly think it must be a very location and region specific marketplace. Darthford is in WA state, and from his input, I think going used could make a lot of sense if you are near him.

Personally, my shop-related hobby pursuits entail building things in my shop, or making improvements in my shop, not driving long distances, sitting on traffic, to see over-priced and/or deteriorating machines. And you can’t even do that part if you are never able to get a reply from a craigslist seller, which is all too common.

My view is that if you want to have a hobby of shopping craigslist and finding old machines that you will then restore to some degree, and maybe even chase old parts, then that is a viable thing to do. If you want to outfit a shop and get busy with woodworking, then it isn’t quite satisfying.

-- Jim, Houston, TX

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Fred Hargis

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#6 posted 04-02-2018 03:53 PM

Darthford, what area of the country are you located?

-- Our village hasn't lost it's idiot, he was elected to congress.

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Plasmon360

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#7 posted 04-02-2018 04:25 PM

I agree with others to get a used cabinet saw. I got a 2000 year delta unisaw for 750 dollars (in southern california area) and it is built very good. I had to do some cleaning, but it was not that bad.

I will spend rest of my hard earned money on upgrades like shark guard with adjustable riving knife, incra miter jig with sled. I would also add a Bench DogĀ® ProMAX Cast Router Table that goes on the side of the unisaw. This will make my dedicated router table redundant.

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#8 posted 04-02-2018 04:51 PM


This will make my dedicated router table redundant.
- Plasmon360

Yeah, but it’s always nice to keep your favorite round-over bit in the dedicated table if you have a router to keep in it.

-- Andy - Seattle USA

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#9 posted 04-02-2018 05:06 PM

I just got the 1023RLWX from Grizzly – Get a router to throw in the router table wing and a dado stack. It has more HP than you will need, but will cut through anything you throw at it for years to come.

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darthford

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#10 posted 04-02-2018 05:55 PM


Darthford, what area of the country are you located?

- Fred Hargis

Oregon/Washington, specifically Battle Ground, WA

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jimintx

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#11 posted 04-02-2018 06:00 PM

Boiler, I suspect that is a great saw. I have not ever seen a Grizzly anything in person, but there is no doubt that the brand has a strong following on this site.
I just took a look at the Grizzly site, and at a quick scan the 1023RLW or the 1023RLX appear to be virtually indistinguishable from one another, and have nice features and excellent 220v power. (I didn’t find one listed now that is a “1023RLWX” anymore.)

-- Jim, Houston, TX

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jonah

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#12 posted 04-02-2018 06:00 PM



Shopping for used tools is possibly the most common advice ever repeated here on Lumberjocks. For me, in Houston, it is potentially one of the most frustrating, exasperating and time consuming activities to pursue.

I m always curious about where people live that find this a productive way to outfit a shop, and truly think it must be a very location and region specific marketplace. Darthford is in WA state, and from his input, I think going used could make a lot of sense if you are near him.

Personally, my shop-related hobby pursuits entail building things in my shop, or making improvements in my shop, not driving long distances, sitting on traffic, to see over-priced and/or deteriorating machines. And you can t even do that part if you are never able to get a reply from a craigslist seller, which is all too common.

My view is that if you want to have a hobby of shopping craigslist and finding old machines that you will then restore to some degree, and maybe even chase old parts, then that is a viable thing to do. If you want to outfit a shop and get busy with woodworking, then it isn t quite satisfying.

- jimintx


There are quite a few ways to prevent the sorts of problems you describe. Get lots of pictures ahead of time. Ask for more pictures when the seller responds to you and before you drive to see the tool. Ask for a video of it running.

Over the years I’ve bought two jointers, three table saws, two routers, two drill presses, a router lift, hand planes, and various other handheld tools from Craigslist and an auction or two. I paid 5-50% of the new cost for each item. If the time you have to spend isn’t worth saving that kind of money, then you should absolutely shop for new tools. There’s nothing wrong with that at all.

What you can’t do is be in a hurry on the used market. You have to be patient.

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darthford

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#13 posted 04-02-2018 06:01 PM

Now, if you want to buy once and be done this saw http://www.grizzly.com/products/12-5-HP-220V-Extreme-Series-Left-Tilt-Table-Saw/G0696X I owned one of these beasts before the adventure into metal lathes, mills, welders. I have a new one in my shopping cart as I type this.

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BoilerUp21

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#14 posted 04-02-2018 06:18 PM

http://www.grizzly.com/products/10-5-HP-240V-Cabinet-Left-Tilting-Table-Saw/G1023RLWX


Boiler, I suspect that is a great saw. I have not ever seen a Grizzly anything in person, but there is no doubt that the brand has a strong following on this site.
I just took a look at the Grizzly site, and at a quick scan the 1023RLW or the 1023RLX appear to be virtually indistinguishable from one another, and have nice features and excellent 220v power. (I didn t find one listed now that is a “1023RLWX” anymore.)

- jimintx


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MrUnix

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#15 posted 04-02-2018 06:45 PM

From the sounds of it, a full blown cabinet saw may not really be what is needed, and a good contractor or hybrid would fit the bill nicely. It would still be a huge step up from what you currently have. Used would give you the best bang for the buck, but there are several nice new saws in the <$1000 range that would work nicely as well.

Of course, if you do run across a good deal on a used cabinet saw, jump on it.

Cheers,
Brad

-- Brad in FL - In Dog I trust... everything else is questionable

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